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#1 Bartek Nalazek

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 02:58 PM

Hi! Did anyone of You concerned using the Ansel Adams Zone System for gaining higher contrast and higher latitude on film? Exposing for shadow and developing for highlight? Is it possible?
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#2 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:21 PM

Hi! Did anyone of You concerned using the Ansel Adams Zone System for gaining higher contrast and higher latitude on film? Exposing for shadow and developing for highlight? Is it possible?


The zone system applies to all forms of celluloid based photography/cinematography.
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#3 Bartek Nalazek

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:32 PM

The zone system applies to all forms of celluloid based photography/cinematography.


So how does it practically work in cinematography?
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#4 Nick Mulder

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:32 PM

do a search ... its been discussed in at least two threads.

One problem is that often (more often than notactually ) your picture in cine will change and therefore the contrast ratios in picture will change also... The Zone system will obviously fail here unless you plan to develop each frame individually. :blink:

That being said the concepts are still %1000 worth it to understand.
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#5 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 04:08 PM

The Zone System, as it was originally intended to work, has limited applications in photochemical cinematography because you can't really alter processing to fine-tune the contrast, nor pick different contrast-grade papers or use contrast filters in the darkroom -- so taking an original subject of "x" dynamic range and creating a print with "y" dynamic range is hard to do shot-by-shot.

Some people use a modified, simpler version of the Zone System for exposing though, which basically just involves placing your main subject in the Zone you want, more than it is about manipulating contrast.

Now I suppose with digital color-correction, some new version of the Zone System could be developed, though, again, the problem is that we shoot a lot of shots per day in cinematography, so individual grey scales for each set-up, etc. to be able to measure and control contrast in post, etc. gets difficult.
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