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#1 Colin Worley

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 01:15 AM

Hey everyone. I usually wouldn't do this since it's off the subject, but I'm in love with the art of cinematography and would love to start film school, unfortunately (as many are), I don't have enough money yet. I am spending as much money as I can to get it paid for, although I will need loans. At least the money I am trying to get ($2,000) will help me pay for bills, food, etcetera each month.

Well, I was wondering if anyone could help me send this link out to some people who may be interested...

https://www.fundable.com/groupactions/group...0-21.9829476413

Basically, it's an online fundraiser that allows people to donate through the internet (Paypal).

I would be so grateful if anyone could help me give that link to friends or family, because that would really be a wonderful blessing! My father, and my grandfather were construction workers who have had very bad physical problems from their job, and at one point, I was looking at doing this. I realized what school can do for me, it can really open up many opportunities to do what I love, and eventually be able to support those who are less fortunate.

If 200 people (it may seem like a lot, but I know anything is possible) each donated $10, I would be able to reach my goal, and hopefully continue my path towards a better education.

Thank you so much for reading this, and I would be so thankful for those who might be willing to show others... this is honestly helping me to help myself.

Thanks again fellow filmmakers!
God Bless!

Sincerely,
Colin
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#2 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 01:36 AM

We're not the ones with the money in this industry, so I'm guessing you're posting this here as an act of desperation.

It's highly unlikely someone's going to donate anything to an aspiring film student, sorry to rain on your parade, but it's true.

And only $2000? You can easily get that from a student bank loan if you REALLY need it.

Do you at least have some examples of the work you've done to convince would be donors?

Edited by Jonathan Bowerbank, 21 October 2007 - 01:36 AM.

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#3 Colin Worley

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 02:35 AM

Okay, thanks for the heads up... but it was worth a try. You never know unless you try.

-Colin
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#4 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 02:52 AM

Here's a donation in the form of my .02. Save your money for film school and spend it at your local video store. It truly is the best film school around. Everything you learn in film school can be learned from watching movies.

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#5 William A Chapman Jr

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 03:23 AM

Here's a donation in the form of my .02. Save your money for film school and spend it at your local video store. It truly is the best film school around. Everything you learn in film school can be learned from watching movies.

Regards,
Matthew



And reading the many books on the subject!
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#6 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 06:15 PM

Everything you learn in film school can be learned from watching movies.

Regards,
Matthew

That's an exaggeration. Watching movies is all well and good, but it doesn't prepare you for being on a set actually making a film. I'd suggest working as a PA for a while, or in some position on set to learn how things work, as a much better pseudo film school than just watching movies.
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#7 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 06:39 PM

That's an exaggeration. Watching movies is all well and good, but it doesn't prepare you for being on a set actually making a film. I'd suggest working as a PA for a while, or in some position on set to learn how things work, as a much better pseudo film school than just watching movies.


Nothing prepares you for being on set except for actually being on set. Not even those lame school projects they have you do.
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#8 Lars Zemskih

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 07:05 PM

Here's a donation in the form of my .02. Save your money for film school and spend it at your local video store. It truly is the best film school around. Everything you learn in film school can be learned from watching movies.

Regards,
Matthew


I always found this argument a bit ridiculous, as it is coming from the same logic as thinking that you can write a symphony by listening to a lot of music. There are just so many many people who think they know how to make films because they have watched so many of them and it is usually not true.

I really disagree with you that film school doesn't teach you anything as well, I mean if you feel that you never needed it, it is fine, but that doesn't mean somebody else won't benefit from it And it is not that easy to always get to the proper film set to learn from it.
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#9 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 11:26 PM

I always found this argument a bit ridiculous, as it is coming from the same logic as thinking that you can write a symphony by listening to a lot of music. There are just so many many people who think they know how to make films because they have watched so many of them and it is usually not true.

I really disagree with you that film school doesn't teach you anything as well, I mean if you feel that you never needed it, it is fine, but that doesn't mean somebody else won't benefit from it And it is not that easy to always get to the proper film set to learn from it.

It's all about resources. If I had $120,000 for film school, why not go learn by doing instead? You obviously agree that there is no substitute for doing something and learning from your mistakes, right? And watching movies does a WORLD of good if you watch from the perspective of learning instead of from entertainment. Don't argue with me on that one, argue with countless people in the industry who study others films and learn from them.
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#10 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 12:30 AM

There are too many paths to success in the industry to argue for or against any one of them.

Whatever you feel works for you is always the best decision. There are just as many failed filmmakers with a degree as their are failed filmmakers without a degree. Same goes for the number of success stories out there.

And I base these statistics on nothing ;)
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#11 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 01:35 AM

There are too many paths to success in the industry to argue for or against any one of them.

Whatever you feel works for you is always the best decision. There are just as many failed filmmakers with a degree as their are failed filmmakers without a degree. Same goes for the number of success stories out there.

And I base these statistics on nothing ;)


Very well put...I have no argument with that.
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#12 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 03:41 AM

You learn from doing, not watching. There are a lot of different paths to learn how to make a film, but watching movies isn't one of them.
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#13 Lars Zemskih

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 06:32 AM

It's all about resources. If I had $120,000 for film school, why not go learn by doing instead? You obviously agree that there is no substitute for doing something and learning from your mistakes, right? And watching movies does a WORLD of good if you watch from the perspective of learning instead of from entertainment. Don't argue with me on that one, argue with countless people in the industry who study others films and learn from them.


Well first of all, not every film school costs 120,000. There are also MA programs which are only two years and less money. The schools in England and France are also cheaper. Not to mention free schools such as La Femis or FAMU. I am sure this topic has been discussed in length here, but again, a point many agree on, don't discourage people from going to school, just because you feel it is not necessary for you. You do learn from doing, but you also do it by studying, I have seen film schools that are only practical and I didn't need that, because I have already been shooting by myself before that, I needed someone to also sit me done and tell me how it is done, before doing something. Plus sometimes you can't afford to properly shoot on film and prof. lights by yourself, when in school you get that and you learn a lot from it.

Second, I don't think it does a WORLD of good for you if you just watch everything from the local video store, there are of course movies that are great and you learn a great deal by thinking how they were done and that does good for you. However, I think there are so many many bad movies out there that it is not necessary to study them or even watch them, you can study why a particular film is bad, but if you watch too many of them it might do you more harm. All those people who want to be like Tarantino or Smith get a job at a rental store and watch tons and tons of movies, but I wouldn't consider them to work on my set based on how many films they watched. No.
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:31 AM

I got an idea. How about get a job like all the other students? Have some self respect and quit with the internet begging.

Edited by AdamBray, 22 October 2007 - 08:32 AM.

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#15 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:38 AM

> The schools in England and France are also cheaper.

And you get what you pay for.

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#16 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 12:28 PM

You learn from doing, not watching. There are a lot of different paths to learn how to make a film, but watching movies isn't one of them.


I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I dont see how you find no merit at all in studying movies by watching. I sortof liken it to a football team watching film of previous games and spotting mistakes. Where would football teams be without the films they watch?

But, to each his own.
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#17 Colin Worley

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 12:51 PM

Thanks for all the info... well, I've heard some insane stories of people asking for money on line, and it actually working. (Just check out gimmeabuck.com over 75 thousand dollars!) Well, I knew I wouldn't get very much, but it was fun asking anyway hehe. I do have a job, but I'm always looking for extra money. By the way, I wasn't really "begging", rather asking for any spare change :) (What's the difference?).

Well, I'm very interested in cinematography and I'll post a reel, so that way it doesn't just seem like I came on here to beg...

Thanks,
Colin
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#18 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 03:39 PM

I dont see how you find no merit at all in studying movies by watching.

Well, I never said that I find no merit in watching movies....I'm not sure where you came up with that. What I said is that no amount of WATCHING movies will teach you how to MAKE movies. You have to do it to be any good at it. People who just watch movies have no comprehension of how a set runs and how things are actually done. They have no idea what kind of preparation goes into making a movie.
Unfortunately, I've been around long enough to have worked with some of these people who think they know how to make movies because they've watched them.....what a disaster!

I sortof liken it to a football team watching film of previous games and spotting mistakes. Where would football teams be without the films they watch?

But they're already football players! They know how to play! Do you really think some guy could watch football religiously every Sunday for ten years and go out the next weekend and play in the NFL? That's not gonna happen. You have to practice and play for years to get good enough to play at anywhere near that level. No amount of watching will make you any good at football.
Also, there were plenty of football games before the players were able to watch previous games. I think you're using a flawed analogy.
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#19 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 04:00 PM

Well, I never said that I find no merit in watching movies....I'm not sure where you came up with that. What I said is that no amount of WATCHING movies will teach you how to MAKE movies. You have to do it to be any good at it. People who just watch movies have no comprehension of how a set runs and how things are actually done. They have no idea what kind of preparation goes into making a movie.
Unfortunately, I've been around long enough to have worked with some of these people who think they know how to make movies because they've watched them.....what a disaster!

But they're already football players! They know how to play! Do you really think some guy could watch football religiously every Sunday for ten years and go out the next weekend and play in the NFL? That's not gonna happen. You have to practice and play for years to get good enough to play at anywhere near that level. No amount of watching will make you any good at football.
Also, there were plenty of football games before the players were able to watch previous games. I think you're using a flawed analogy.


The problem with this argument is it is a difference of schools of thought. You seem to be of the school of thought that making movies is about technical prowess, which is part of it. I'm more of an artistic type who goes for the creative aspect moreso than technical. I guess that's why you choose to be a DP and I choose to Direct. I don't think your way of thinking is wrong, however, just different. You seem to think I'm wrong and that's fine. But even if I stink as a DP, it doesn't matter if I have the sense to realize that I stink and hire someone who doesn't. It's not all about technical skills.
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#20 Lars Zemskih

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 04:09 PM

The problem with this argument is it is a difference of schools of thought. You seem to be of the school of thought that making movies is about technical prowess, which is part of it. I'm more of an artistic type who goes for the creative aspect moreso than technical. I guess that's why you choose to be a DP and I choose to Direct. I don't think your way of thinking is wrong, however, just different. You seem to think I'm wrong and that's fine. But even if I stink as a DP, it doesn't matter if I have the sense to realize that I stink and hire someone who doesn't. It's not all about technical skills.


I'm a director and I think film is very much about technical as it is about artistic skills, but also skills. But you get them not from watching all the movies, but also by reading books, studying photography and paintings. What it comes down to, your advise on saying don't go to school, go to the local store and just watch movies is not a good advice for someone who wants to be a filmmaker.
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