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#1 Joe Taylor

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 12:39 PM

And guess what IS NOT seen?!?!?!

Very nice transfer by the way. Seeing it for the first in widescreen is almost a revelation. In my opinion it plays much better that 1:33.
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#2 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 03:17 PM

Joe - is there a commentary track by Garrett Brown?
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#3 Joe Taylor

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 04:43 PM

Joe - is there a commentary track by Garrett Brown?



Yes there is. I haven't listened to it yet, though. I'm still in shock as to how great the treatment WB has finally paid to the Kubrick HD series. I remeber back in '99 when the "Kubrick Collection" came out and how shoddy it all was. They've sure made up for this time. Yesterday was by far my best DVD score ever and can't imagine toping it. 2001. The Shining. Clockwork Orange. And what may be best, "Days of Heaven." It's not HD but Criterion did a fine job indeed. But if they force a HD double-dip it had better made of gold.

The Shining has the best Extras. Vivian Kubrick's Making of doc (with commentary) and three other nice docs with more never seen behind the scenes. There is also a great interview with Wendy Carlos who scored Clockwork and the Shining. She's really intense and has great stories about working with Stanley Kubrick.

I was a bit nervous shelling out all that money yesterday, but man! These films look absolutley like new. Days of Heaven is SD, but played through my HD player, it's very impressive. I've been watching this stuff all day and will keep on through the night.

I'm also surprised that nobody else is flipping out on this forum. Oh, well. Somebody will.
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#4 Ignacio Aguilar

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 04:50 PM

And guess what IS NOT seen?!?!?!


The helicopter shadow?

I've seen this film in 35mm projected at 1.85:1, and it was still visible for a few frames. But that way it's not nearly as noticiable as it is in 1.33:1.

And I agree, this film looks much better in its original theatrical aspect ratio.
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#5 Michel Hafner

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:39 AM

The opening credits of "Shining" don't look sharp but they never did. The rest of the HD transfer looks often striking, especially close ups. Much cleaner than any print I have seen, little grain, quite sharp.
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#6 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:41 AM

So... BluRay or HD-DVD? What type of player are more people investing in? I know the HD-DVD players are much cheaper to buy.
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:01 PM

I dont think its worth investing in either at the moment wait until the battle is over it just like VHS or Betacam being played over again .
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:05 PM

that should be betamax ,sorry .
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#9 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:49 PM

David,
I went Hd-Dvd but only because i could buy the add on player for my xbox. I wouldnt be comfortable paying out another 400-600 bucks for a player especially given how shaky the whole format war is. Having said all that im really enjoying the Hd dvds i have bought.
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 07:28 PM

HD DVD players prices have dropped like rocks ovr the past month. There are places selling them for just over a $100. IF Blu-Ray can't compete (and they can't) the war will be over before--- I was going to make an Iraq joke, but it's getting so lame.
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#11 John Brawley

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 07:47 PM

Yes there is. I haven't listened to it yet, though. I'm still in shock as to how great the treatment WB has finally paid to the Kubrick HD series. I remeber back in '99 when the "Kubrick Collection" came out and how shoddy it all was.



Kubrick himself apparently was the one that insisted the transfers be done 1.33. Why ? Apparently he hated letterboxing and felt that's how most would be watching.....on 4x3 TV's.


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#12 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 08:25 PM

Kubrick supervised those transfers for the laserdisc market in the early 1990's and they weren't shoddy for their day.

But as he was busy finishing "Eyes Wide Shut", rather than supervise new transfers for the first DVD box set, he insisted WB use his transfers made for the laserdiscs. Then, of course, he passed away. WB redid the transfers and re-issued the DVD box set under the "remastered" label, and those looked pretty good, but most were still in 4x3 full-frame or 4x3 letterboxed (if the original movie was shot with a camera hard matte, as was "Barry Lyndon").

But I'm not in the mood to buy the new DVD box set all over again, even if they have 16x9 transfers... probably when I get an HD player, I'll buy them in HD.
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#13 Marc Alucard

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:01 PM

Kubrick supervised those transfers for the laserdisc market in the early 1990's and they weren't shoddy for their day.

But as he was busy finishing "Eyes Wide Shut", rather than supervise new transfers for the first DVD box set, he insisted WB use his transfers made for the laserdiscs. Then, of course, he passed away. WB redid the transfers and re-issued the DVD box set under the "remastered" label, and those looked pretty good, but most were still in 4x3 full-frame or 4x3 letterboxed (if the original movie was shot with a camera hard matte, as was "Barry Lyndon").

But I'm not in the mood to buy the new DVD box set all over again, even if they have 16x9 transfers... probably when I get an HD player, I'll buy them in HD.


The Blu-Ray transfers are in the "correct" theatrical aspect ratios. 2001 is 2.20:1. The others are also in the correct aspect as well. (I haven't seen them yet).

I heard the SD box set is also "correct".

The HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray debate is so vast I won't touch that one. 1080p/24p and Lossless dts-HD Master Audio is a factor my choices stand..

Cheers,
Marc
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#14 Michel Hafner

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 11:29 AM

So... BluRay or HD-DVD? What type of player are more people investing in? I know the HD-DVD players are much cheaper to buy.

The most sold HD player is the PS3 (several million). It's a game console first but also a very good BR disc player with lots of options during playback, more flexible than the Toshiba HW players which are clumsy to operate in comparison. It offers 24 Hz 1080p output for judder free playback.
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#15 Marc Alucard

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 11:49 AM

The most sold HD player is the PS3 (several million). It's a game console first but also a very good BR disc player with lots of options during playback, more flexible than the Toshiba HW players which are clumsy to operate in comparison. It offers 24 Hz 1080p output for judder free playback.


The PS3 doesn't do all the high end audio tracks. It also may be hardware incapable, (not firmware upgradeable) to handle Blu-Ray Profile 1.1 or 2.0.

I'm waiting until after X-mas to see what format the studios end up throwing most of their support to.

Right now The lower priced HD-DVD players and the PS3 or Blu-Ray players under $500 with the Kubrick movies are worth spending the money on.

Sony is starting to reevaluate the format war. Their stuff keeps ending up in pro gear and the other guys go to the masses. IMHO.

If Lossless audio is important to you, a new AV receiver may be part of your purchase.

I'm tortured waiting and have tried two of both formats players in my home theater.

Cheers,
Marc
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#16 Adam Thompson

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 02:40 PM

There is also a great interview with Wendy Carlos who scored Clockwork and the Shining. She's really intense and has great stories about working with Stanley Kubrick.
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I'm also surprised that nobody else is flipping out on this forum. Oh, well. Somebody will.



She is actually a he!
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#17 Joe Taylor

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 05:37 PM

No. Really.
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#18 Marc Alucard

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 06:23 PM

No. Really.


The High Def and new SD DVD releases have been long overdue for all the Kubrick films.

Glad to see I'm not the only one enjoying them.
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#19 Michel Hafner

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 12:08 PM

The PS3 doesn't do all the high end audio tracks. It also may be hardware incapable, (not firmware upgradeable) to handle Blu-Ray Profile 1.1 or 2.0.

It does not do DTS-HD Master Audio for now, but that's a firmware upgrade issue. And DTS at 1.5 Mbit/s sounds already better than most systems (and rooms!) people have can fully resolve. The profile thing is pure speculation. Given that profile 1.1 titles come in January I find it highly unlikely that Sony can not update the existing PS3s for it.

If Lossless audio is important to you, a new AV receiver may be part of your purchase.

Yes, HDMI in for audio is required unless you don't mind additional DA AD steps or are happy with optical at max 1.5 Mbit/s or only stereo in uncompressed.

I'm tortured waiting and have tried two of both formats players in my home theater.

I have both systems too. 2 PS3 and one Toshiba.
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#20 Marc Alucard

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 01:00 PM

It does not do DTS-HD Master Audio for now, but that's a firmware upgrade issue. And DTS at 1.5 Mbit/s sounds already better than most systems (and rooms!) people have can fully resolve. The profile thing is pure speculation. Given that profile 1.1 titles come in January I find it highly unlikely that Sony can not update the existing PS3s for it.

Yes, HDMI in for audio is required unless you don't mind additional DA AD steps or are happy with optical at max 1.5 Mbit/s or only stereo in uncompressed.

I have both systems too. 2 PS3 and one Toshiba.


Hi Michael,

Believe or not the Blu-ray 1.1 and 2.0 profiles require an additional video processor that isn't present on any Sony stand alone player. It blows me away they don't have an easy upgrade solution. Profile 2.0 includes an Ethernet port, hopefully Wi-Fi will be included.

I have about 2000 Films on SD-DVDs in my collection, so I am probably taking too much time to pick the red pill or the blu pill.

Which format do you prefer, how many discs do you have of each format? What are you watching on?

Cheers,
Marc

Correction: Most PS3 consoles will be upgradeable to profile 1.1 at some time in the future, like when the profile 1.1 disks get released hopefully. LOL
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