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#1 Niki Mundo

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 10:17 PM

It appears I do not have a stablized 15EPS motor on my KSR-1 Konvas, I have the Rhetostat 25M-8M "wild" motor, assuming I cannot locate a 15EPS or 17EPS motor (I checked ebay and the internet- nothing right now) and I go ahead with the trying to film with the intent of doing post-ADR work with the footage on a non-linear system- what can I do to insure success?

What about keeping the dialogue very brief to like an ten word sentences (this isn't a wordy drama to begin with), maybe there's a sound program I could use or any techinques when I edit on the computer?
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#2 Chris Keth

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 03:28 AM

It's simple. The more your motor is off from a crystal 24fps, the faster the dialogue will wander out of sync.

You are determined to make this filmmaking thing as hard on yourself as humanly possible, aren't you?
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#3 Niki Mundo

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 09:31 PM

It's simple. The more your motor is off from a crystal 24fps, the faster the dialogue will wander out of sync.

You are determined to make this filmmaking thing as hard on yourself as humanly possible, aren't you?


Artists must suffer. I gotta pay my dues by doing it all wrong and still come out a winner! My A&E biography show will be richer and more interesting to watch.

Edited by Niki Mundo, 08 November 2007 - 09:34 PM.

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#4 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 04:57 AM

The cogs on the 15EPS or 17EPS are different than the Rheostat and they mount differently. For what it would cost to modify your KSR-1, it'd be cheaper to just buy a 1m or a 2m, so forget about changing out the motor. On the positive side, the KSR-1 can be hand cranked and can also use a single frame animation crank for stop motion animation which makes it a VERY cool little camera. I just bought a set of anamorphics for mine to use in conjunction with my Kinor 35C as a steadicam camera, second unit camera, an animation camera for the opening titles and as a B camera used in long shots with the Kinor as the A cam for the closer work. Mine is almost MINT and came with everything but the ULTRA-rare spring motor that the Russians used in extreme cold conditions. I LOVE these little suckers!

What you can do is first of all make sure the camera is well serviced which you should do with any camera. Second, shoot cutaways and reaction shots to cover problems. You're going with ADR so if your people get good at dubbing, it won't be perfect but it should be passable. If you shoot with sound it'll have to be out doors with long lenses and the camera set back aways and wrapped in a blanket OR you'll have to use sound software like Soundforge with the appropriate filters to remove the camera noise. You can also take a page from Rodriguez, have you actor's repeat the lines RIGHT after you cut, so their readings are still fresh in their minds, that way they can deliver it close to EXACTLY the way they did it the first time. B)

Edited by James Steven Beverly, 09 November 2007 - 05:01 AM.

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#5 Niki Mundo

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 10:05 PM

Thanks James! I'll put you in the credits.
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#6 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 01:34 AM

Have you check out:

Commiecam.com

Konvas.org

www.geocities.com/russiancamera/

www.konvas.info/main.php

photo.net/learn/optics/lensTutorial

www.recording.org/forum-8.html

and of course

Rafcamera.com

Lot of stuff to be learned at these sites...oh and again, it's Steve and I want my credit to read:

Voice of Reason...........James Steven Beverly-esq. B)
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#7 Niki Mundo

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 05:04 PM

"Voice of Reason, James Steven Beverly-esq". OK.
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#8 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 03:03 AM

You forgot the little dots in-between (........... )
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Posted 14 November 2007 - 07:51 PM

You forgot the little dots in-between (........... )


Is that for a carefully-timed comic pause? ;)
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#10 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 12:23 AM

At last! someone who finally GETS my humor! :D
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#11 Jess Haas

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 04:49 AM

If you want to try shooting anything sync sound there is a little trick I have used when shooting sync sound super8 with great success. Slate both the beginning and the end of a take. Then in post you can stretch the audio to fit the take. As long as you don't have extremely long takes and your motor is somewhat steady this should give great results. Of course you still have to deal with the lawnmower sound....

~Jess
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#12 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 10:46 PM

Of course you still have to deal with the lawnmower sound....

~Jess



Which reminds me:

www.mp3-converter.com/cool_edit_2000.htm
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