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#1 Ole Dost

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 11:31 AM

Dear filmmakers,
I got some leftover Kodak Vision2 250D -some short ends. They have been treated by professionals, put out of the Mags in summer 2005 and always kept inside a fridge since that time. I saw this fridge -it is not wet, as there are no other things (like butter, Juice, milk, chesse...), but only film rolls. Do you think it is possible to use these shortends? I wand to shoot with them in January or February....
Thanks for your advice in advance.
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#2 Stephen Williams

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 11:55 AM

Dear filmmakers,
I got some leftover Kodak Vision2 250D -some short ends. They have been treated by professionals, put out of the Mags in summer 2005 and always kept inside a fridge since that time. I saw this fridge -it is not wet, as there are no other things (like butter, Juice, milk, chesse...), but only film rolls. Do you think it is possible to use these shortends? I wand to shoot with them in January or February....
Thanks for your advice in advance.
Best regards,
OLe


Hi Ole,

Should be fine, just overexpose by 1 stop.

I recently used some 4 year old 500 Eterna for a pop video, I overexposed it by a stop, it was quite usable but not perfect.

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#3 Dan Goulder

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 12:38 PM

I recently used some 4 year old 500 Eterna for a pop video, I overexposed it by a stop, it was quite usable but not perfect.

Stephen

Do you know under what conditions the Eterna 500 stock was stored? What deficiencies have you found, if any?
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#4 Stephen Williams

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 01:17 PM

Do you know under what conditions the Eterna 500 stock was stored? What deficiencies have you found, if any?
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Hi,

The stock had been stored at FUJI. It was returned after a feature, they held it for the customer as it had traveled by air.

Grain was fairly obvious! High speed stocks do seem to degrade after 2 years, slower stocks can last a lot longer. I used some 5 year old 800T once, it looked like a snow storm!

Here are some frame grabs, this was 35mm shot with my Ultracam & Zeiss Superspeeds between T1.4 & T2.5
Total budget for the clip was $2000 for processing & 1 light on a Spirit.

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#5 Ole Dost

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 01:46 PM

Thank you for your helpful answers!
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Ole
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#6 Dan Goulder

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 01:51 PM

Hi,

The stock had been stored at FUJI. It was returned after a feature, they held it for the customer as it had traveled by air.

Grain was fairly obvious! High speed stocks do seem to degrade after 2 years, slower stocks can last a lot longer. I used some 5 year old 800T once, it looked like a snow storm!

Here are some frame grabs, this was 35mm shot with my Ultracam & Zeiss Superspeeds between T1.4 & T2.5
Total budget for the clip was $2000 for processing & 1 light on a Spirit.

It looks good. The top shot especially has a real nice balance between light and shadow, with all the detail intact. Is that unaugmented sunlight with an 85?
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#7 Stephen Williams

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 03:03 PM

It looks good. The top shot especially has a real nice balance between light and shadow, with all the detail intact. Is that unaugmented sunlight with an 85?
Thanks.


Hi,

The top shot was at 4 in the morning, just above zero degrees in an empty swimming pool. The light was a 6K par, I was holding a reflector for that shot. My Ultracam was on a Jimmy Jib. I did not have a real crew so I had been rigging & lighting myself all day, this was the 2nd location of 5.

As you can see it's really dark outside.

Stephen

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#8 Tim Terner

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 02:27 AM

Should be fine, just overexpose by 1 stop.

Hi Stephen, does that mean if I am overexposing 2/3 of a stop for a denser negative anyway do I go to a 1 and 2/3 stops over ?
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#9 Stephen Williams

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 02:46 AM

Hi Stephen, does that mean if I am overexposing 2/3 of a stop for a denser negative anyway do I go to a 1 and 2/3 stops over ?


Hi Tim,

I just went 1 stop over in total, the idea being to get above the fog level on the film.

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#10 Tim Terner

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 02:57 AM

Thanks Stephen. BTW, love the empty pool shot
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 08:21 AM

Hi Stephen,

just out of curiosity, what was your shooting ratio, how many mintues\feet did you shoot?
I'm planning on shooting a music video soon and trying to figure out how much film I will need at the minimum for a 5min song...
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#12 Stephen Williams

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 08:43 AM

Hi Stephen,

just out of curiosity, what was your shooting ratio, how many mintues\feet did you shoot?
I'm planning on shooting a music video soon and trying to figure out how much film I will need at the minimum for a 5min song...


Hi,

We shot 1800 feet, for sure we don't have enough, the band went home after the 2nd location before the shoot was over!

Stephen
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:56 AM

Hi Stephen should have given me a call /email would have come over and given you a hand . John .
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#14 Stephen Williams

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:26 PM

Hi Stephen should have given me a call /email would have come over and given you a hand . John .


Hi John,

I will next time, crews are almost non existent. My focus puller that day had never worked with 35mm, he arrived 30 minutes before we were to shoot. I was rather worried as we were T2.5 & wider. Only 1 scene had any obvious problem. I let the director operate most of the time so I could spend more time lighting as the 'gaffer' never turned up. I also loaded all the mags & threaded the camera to save time, when I do everything works without a hitch.

I have also just had 7 days S16 with an amateur crew, hard work but great fun & great pictures.

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