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#1 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 07:41 PM

Seems Sony has a new camera in the wings.

http://www.sony.jp/C...200711/07-1120/

There's some debate on CML if Sony has fitted Bayer or a Genesis style sensor.
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#2 Timo Klages

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 04:15 AM

Seems Sony has a new camera in the wings.

http://www.sony.jp/C...200711/07-1120/

There's some debate on CML if Sony has fitted Bayer or a Genesis style sensor.



can you read anything on that website apart from f23 and f35?

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#3 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 04:49 AM

can you read anything on that website apart from f23 and f35?

greets,
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If you can handle the Japanese characters you can do a translation. Unfortunately, I can't just paste the google translation from a message on CML, which is the usual quirky affair, but I'll sum up what the F35 basics seem to be:

F23 Chassis with 35mm full aperture size striped CCD sensor and PL mount with 1920 X 1080 output. Currently available only in Japan - rest of world after late 2008/Early 2009.

50P 4:4:4 maximum frame rate.
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#4 Andy Yeomans

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 12:08 AM

If you can handle the Japanese characters you can do a translation. Unfortunately, I can't just paste the google translation from a message on CML, which is the usual quirky affair, but I'll sum up what the F35 basics seem to be:

F23 Chassis with 35mm full aperture size striped CCD sensor and PL mount with 1920 X 1080 output. Currently available only in Japan - rest of world after late 2008/Early 2009.

50P 4:4:4 maximum frame rate.


Wasn't Speed Racer filmed with the F23? I could be wrong

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#5 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 12:22 AM

Wasn't Speed Racer filmed with the F23?


Yes. The F23 has 2/3" CCD's, three in a prism block.

Apparently the F35 has an RGB striped single 35mm sensor like the Genesis (I could be wrong though), which makes sense in a way, since it is a simpler process to get to 4:4:4 RGB at 1920 x 1080 for recording to HDCAM-SR, compared to a Bayer filter and debayering algorithm, although the Arri-D20 does this and is often recorded to an HDCAM-SR at HD resolution.

Take a look at the wacky trailer for "Speed Racer" here:
http://movies.aol.co...2008/28066/main
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#6 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 01:14 AM

Take a look at the wacky trailer for "Speed Racer" here:
http://movies.aol.co...2008/28066/main


Saw that trailer just before "Golden Compass". I think they might have achieved an all too literal translation of the cartoon to film. It'll be interesting...maybe.
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#7 Scott Fritzshall

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 02:18 AM

Saw that trailer just before "Golden Compass". I think they might have achieved an all too literal translation of the cartoon to film. It'll be interesting...maybe.

It is. ;)
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#8 John Sprung

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 01:49 PM

Apparently the F35 has an RGB striped single 35mm sensor like the Genesis (I could be wrong though)

IIRC, the chip in Genesis is made by Sony. It could be that Sony retained the IP rights to the mask set, and gave Panavision an exclusive period which has now expired. That's a guess, though.



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#9 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 02:11 PM

I believe BandPro is showing the F35 at NAB.

Interesting that the two different approaches are developing further this year, the traditional video type recording camera as in the F35 and RAW now also available on the Arri D21 (with a HD option).

Edited by Brian Drysdale, 10 April 2008 - 02:12 PM.

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 06:46 PM

I'm a Data Tech/ AC out of Videofax here in San Francisco and we have a F23 and it blows me away what that camera can achieve especially in the Blue,Violet range of the spectrum. I've done a few commercials and love HyperGamma 4 because I can see colors I've never seen on a 4:4:4 monitor before. I never saw a camera that could hold detail past 3.5+ stops over key. If the F35 is anywhere near the F23 I'll be nothing short of blown away. Again!

FYI the Striped Sensor on the Genesis is by far the best Sensor for Green Screen.

We also have a reservation for the F35 which will be at NAB and no doubt Jeff Cree will be there to talk about it!


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Posted 25 October 2008 - 07:07 AM

Does anyone know the exact sensor size of the F35 in millimeters? And what the exact mega pixel count is for it?

Thanks

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#12 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 07:49 AM

Does anyone know the exact sensor size of the F35 in millimeters? And what the exact mega pixel count is for it?

Thanks

Steve Price


Sony say it's Super 35 mm sized and 12 mega pixel.

http://www.bandprof3...35_Brochure.pdf

So, I'd assume in practical terms it's 24.89mm x 18.66mm.
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#13 Stephen Price

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 08:19 AM

So, I'd assume in practical terms it's 24.89mm x 18.66mm.


Thanks for your reply

If you divide 24.89 into 18.66 you get 1.33 hence 4x3.

The F35 has a 16x9 sized sensor. I'm looking for the exact size in millimeters.

Anyone?

Thanks

Steve
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#14 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 10:50 AM

Thanks for your reply

If you divide 24.89 into 18.66 you get 1.33 hence 4x3.

The F35 has a 16x9 sized sensor. I'm looking for the exact size in millimeters.

Anyone?

Thanks

Steve



The Genesis is 23.62mm by 13.28mm using the same Sony sensor.
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#15 Stephen Price

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 01:15 PM

Thanks guys!
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#16 Stephen Price

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 01:41 PM

Sorry, I have a couple more questions. I promise I have searched extensively, but so far have not found the answers. I appreciate the F35 is very similar to the Genesis but I am not too familiar with that camera.

Does the F35 have a Rolling or Global Shutter?

What colour temperature is the camera, is it 3200k like most CCD cameras?

Thank you for your time.

Steve Price
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