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#1 Michal Grabowski

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 05:41 AM

Are there any silent 2 perf cameras?
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#2 John Holland

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 05:52 AM

Panavision have a Panaflex 2 perf.
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#3 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 12:08 PM

Panavision have a Panaflex 2 perf.


And Arriflex will start making a 2-perf movement available for their Arricams around now, for the Arri rental houses only.

And when the Aaton Penelope comes out, it will have a 2-perf option.
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#4 John Sprung

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 03:06 PM

Are there any silent 2 perf cameras?

Originally most 2 perf was done using Arri IICT's in Cine-60 or Arri 120-S blimps. The smaller mass of film being moved makes less noise in the first place, so the blimps work even better with 2 perf than 4 perf.




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#5 victor huey

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 04:57 PM

There are at least 10 kinor 35H sync 2perf cameras that i know of as well. 6 owned by solid entertainment of sweden, 2 privately owned in New York, and one in LA, and one in New Orleans. I know of two Kinor 35H to be converted in the near future. Check with the konvas uers group.
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Posted 30 November 2007 - 05:02 PM

here is a photo of karl kim's 2 perf Kinor 35H

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 07:48 PM

Aaton Penelope.

Arri made 2-perf movement blocks, but the Aaton is speicially designed for 2-perf. (But it does 3 perf aswell)
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#8 Stephen Williams

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 02:41 AM

Aaton Penelope.

Arri made 2-perf movement blocks, but the Aaton is speicially designed for 2-perf. (But it does 3 perf aswell)


Hi Daniel,

As far as I know Penelope is not yet available.

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#9 David Namir

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 11:35 AM

If two perf is half from 4 perf, as far as framing, then what formats can we have if we consider that the width of the frame remains the same? And if we want 4:3 what negative area will be there? Is it going to be much more than super 16? Does anybody has all the calculations?
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Posted 01 December 2007 - 12:41 PM

If two perf is half from 4 perf, as far as framing, then what formats can we have if we consider that the width of the frame remains the same? And if we want 4:3 what negative area will be there? Is it going to be much more than super 16? Does anybody has all the calculations?

The only practical formats are widescreen ones like 2.40, and 1.85. The original uses of 2-perf were for Techniscope movies in Italy like the spaghetti westerns ("The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly", etc.)

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Techniscope
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#11 Bruce Taylor

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 08:01 PM

Ho- I've been out of the loop.
Regarding Victor Huey's post, I have the 2 perf Kinor 35H in LA. Just got it and shot some tests last week, but have not had the footage telecined yet. I think 2 perf is a very viable option compared to S16 for wide screen. I can't remember the figures now, but I believe 2 perf 35 has something like 40% more film real estate for 1.85:1 compared to S16. There is a lot of information out on the internet and on this list if you do some searching.

Here are some resources you might find interesting if you haven't already found them:
http://konvas.org/fa...echniscope.html
http://en.wikipedia....2-perf_pulldown
http://www.2perf.arandafilm.com.au/
http://www.abelcine....p...6&Itemid=34
http://www.widescree...een/wingts2.htm
http://jkor.com/peter/techniscope.html

And here is an interesting comment from Anders Banke (I hope he doesn't mind my repeating it here) concerning shooting 2 perf Kinors on his feature "Frostbiten": "On 'Frostbiten,' the majority was shot on Kinors, Lomos and in 2-perf. For various reasons we had to shoot some of the film on an Arri 3-perf camera using Zeiss lenses. The interesting thing is that on some scenes where we use both cameras and the different lens systems, you CANNOT see the difference, it?s impossible to tell which shot was done by what camera / lens..."

BTW, mine will be available for rent in about a month after running tests. I attached a photo of it, I hope it comes through.


Bruce

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#12 XiaoSu Han

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 08:35 AM

how much does it weight?

do you have a rod support system and follow focus to go with it?

regards, xax
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#13 John Sprung

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 05:07 PM

If two perf is half from 4 perf, as far as framing, then what formats can we have if we consider that the width of the frame remains the same? And if we want 4:3 what negative area will be there? Is it going to be much more than super 16? Does anybody has all the calculations?

The stroke for 16mm is 0.2994" IIRC, and for two perf 0.3732". So, even for 1.33:1 it has more image area. Super-16 is width limited for 1.85:1, so the difference is even larger. With two perf, you have four nice big B&H perfs and lots of room for handling on the edges. With Super-16, you have image within 0.020" of the unperforated edge, and only one little hole per frame.



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Posted 03 December 2007 - 05:24 PM

how much does it weight?

do you have a rod support system and follow focus to go with it?

regards, xax


Hi,

I think it weighs about 30lbs with 500ft mag and a prime lens (I need to weigh it exactly). With the electric handgrip and a pad on your shoulder it works well in handheld configuration, and a steadicam guy told me he thought he could fly it. Yes, it comes with a rod system and follow focus (single or double sided), also a video tap and Anders Banke's latest and most sophisticated digital motor control. Full set of Lomo primes + a zoom. I'll have my website up in a few days (www.Indi35.com) with more details.

Bruce Taylor
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#15 Paul Bruening

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 12:19 AM

Hey, rent mine, man!

It's only over 100 pounds. Great for hand held. You can't even hear it when shooting at the epicenter of an earthquake or ,even, standing next to an accelerating locomotive.

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#16 Leo Anthony Vale

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 03:38 PM

Originally most 2 perf was done using Arri IICT's in Cine-60 or Arri 120-S blimps. The smaller mass of film being moved makes less noise in the first place, so the blimps work even better with 2 perf than 4 perf.


Since Techniscope was first used in Italy, there were no blimps. All post sync sound.

http://www.arrimedia..._VisionARRI.pdf

Go to pages 42 and 44. Not much new there, except that Mitchells were used on 'Once Upon aTime in the West' as the main cameras. Probably S35R/Mark IIs.

Recently there was a Techniscope conversion kit for a Mitchell BNC/NC which came from the Universal camera department.
They and Paramount were the two major users of Techniscope in the US.
You can bet that 'Robinson Crusoe on Mars' was shot with Mitchells.

"Mitchell Camera Corporation, whose 35mm studio cameras dominate the sound stages of most film production centers, was among the first to announce Techniscope conversions for Mitchell 35mm cameras and Arriflex 35mm cameras. In an advertisement in American Cinematographer for January, 1964. Techniscope conversions for the Mitchell BNC and NC were quoted as "approximately $1.400 per camera," and for the 35mm Arriflex. "approximately $1,300," "

http://www.widescree...een/wingts2.htm
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#17 Mark Bliss

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 05:02 PM

Hi

I have used several 2perf silent cameras, they were converted Arri BL 4, and also a Movicam America,

I used them to shoot a feature film and also a several shorts and music videos,

the company in australia is no longer in business and I don't know what happened with their gear,

regards

Mark
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 05:29 PM

While not a sound camera, here's a package for sale.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...s_promot_widget
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#19 Adam Frisch FSF

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 08:29 AM

I've heard that Arri will soon introduce a 2-perf movement to the ArriCam.
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#20 Dan Goulder

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:42 PM

Hey, rent mine, man!

It's only over 100 pounds. Great for hand held. You can't even hear it when shooting at the epicenter of an earthquake or ,even, standing next to an accelerating locomotive.

Isn't that an awfully cumbersome BNCR adaptor you've got on the XL-2?
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