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#1 Joshua Dannais

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 05:45 PM

How would I add grain? Are there other ways than underexposing and push processing?

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#2 Michael Nash

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 06:48 PM

... and use fast film. How are you finishing? You can enhance grain in telecine as well.
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#3 Chris Keth

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 07:32 PM

Go cheaper and use super 8?
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 09:00 PM

How would I add grain? Are there other ways than underexposing and push processing?

thanks


Use the right stock. Grain can't be added lest it looks like poop. Grain is within.
Regards,
Marc.
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#5 Michael Collier

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 12:57 AM

under expose and print up. That always adds a fair bit of grain. On the plus side that will also hold the texture of the snow a bit better. you might also try pushing the stock, but I think careful underexposure will give you the effect your looking for, without the added cost of pushing.
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#6 Joshua Dannais

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 01:07 PM

Super 8 was an option... but it would mean finding a super 8 camera and I've heard that processing super 8 is more expensive to transfer or harder to find a place that does it. I own a NPR already so all we need is stock, I like working with 16 as well.

How would grain be added in the transfer?

We're going to shoot some tests next week, I'll try the underexposure.

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#7 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 01:46 PM

Most telecine's, such as the DaVinci, has a grain reduction feature that does a pretty good job. All they have to do is remove the grain reduction so you'll see your grainy image as it is.
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#8 Will Montgomery

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 04:17 PM

Super 8 processing is actually less than 16mm (makes sense). And transfer of Super 8 is generally the same price on the same Rank machines at 16/35. Problem is finding a telecine with a Super 8 gate... not too many out there.

If you have an NPR and you're comfortable with it, go for it!

If you want lots of grain, try to find some old Vision 800T stock... it gives a whole new meaning to the word "grain."
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#9 Joshua Dannais

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 06:19 PM

I knew it was something about super 8 being more work than 16...

Thanks for all the input, if the project goes through I'll post some footage.
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Posted 14 December 2007 - 11:46 AM

This might not be an option that you want to use, but if you're going to have it scanned, you can add grain in a number of software programs (aftereffects, Final cut pro, or even Imovie).

Pro- you can control just how much grain you want.

Con- if you're a purist, the grain isn't really coming from the film

T
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#11 Will Montgomery

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 11:54 AM

You could try a really grainy black & white stock too...

Double-X negative is pretty grainy.
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#12 Joshua Dannais

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 02:33 PM

Thanks Tim, but I want to do everything in camera and by stock selection.

Will, I'm going to look into the double-x negative
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