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#1 Jose Danzi

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 02:20 PM

Hi people!

I'm José, and i'm very happy to be in this forum, i learned a lot of things here, and now i'm registered :)

So, i'm going to shoot a test roll for my Canon 814 Auto zoom ( not eletronic ), mostly outdoors and some indoors to test the CCA filter.
I will use a Minolta View Meter 9 ( spot meter fom 1966 which i don't have a manual ) this meter has a cine function but i don't know how to use so im going to use the standard measurement, using the shutter degree.
But in the canon museum website they tell me that my shutter deegre is 155 and others non-oficials websites tell me that are 220.
I will shoot in 18fps, so this will be 1/29 in 220 and 1/42 in 155. I'm very confused which shutter i use and what information is correct. My camera manual don't say anything about shutter deegre.

My last question, my camera is from 1967, nice conserved, leans clean, all shutters running ok and buttons ok, but i'm worried about the CCA filter.
Is the CCA going to be ok since those years? I have readed this: http://onsuper8.blog...-to-filter.html
and i'm worried about the quality of the filter, because of the age. So you guys recommend me to use a external filter?

I will shoot with Vision 2 200t. Tomorrow :( . It's a travel :lol:


Sorry for all that questions and my poor english.
Thanks you all, any help is welcome.

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#2 Rick Palidwor

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Posted 22 December 2007 - 12:44 AM

But in the canon museum website they tell me that my shutter deegre is 155 and others non-oficials websites tell me that are 220.


I am pretty sure that Canon is not a 220 degree shutter (it would have an "XL" in the model number) so 155 degrees is more likely to be correct.

My last question, my camera is from 1967, nice conserved, leans clean, all shutters running ok and buttons ok, but i'm worried about the CCA filter.
Is the CCA going to be ok since those years? I have readed this: http://onsuper8.blog...-to-filter.html
and i'm worried about the quality of the filter, because of the age. So you guys recommend me to use a external filter?


I'd say use an external filter if you have one (and get an 85B, not 85A) but try the internal filter and see what you think.

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Posted 22 December 2007 - 01:26 AM

I am pretty sure that Canon is not a 220 degree shutter (it would have an "XL" in the model number) so 155 degrees is more likely to be correct.



I'd say use an external filter if you have one (and get an 85B, not 85A) but try the internal filter and see what you think.

Rick


Thanks for the help Rick, i think it is 155 too, i will use that degree since so many websites tell that.

I don't have a external filter, since that is a test rool i'm testing the camera filter, but for my next shots i'm going to buy one 85B, because i think that will improve something in quality, thanks for the advice.

I'm exited to film, that's my first super 8 test :lol:

José

Edited by Jose Danzi, 22 December 2007 - 01:27 AM.

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#4 Fernando Morales

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 09:02 PM

Hola, José. For a good description of Canon cameras check http://tinyurl.com/2zw36x
Definitely follow Rick's advice and get an external filter if your are shooting reveral tungsten film in daylight. They go cheap on eBay. Most of those old internals are worn out.
Nowadays I shoot mostly b/w and E100D or Velvia refilled kaccemas outside, so no need for E64T ;)

Hope this helps,

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#5 Jim Carlile

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 01:20 AM

The sound 814's could toggle back and forth between the "xtra light" 220 degree shutter angle and the smaller one. That may be where the confusion lies. I don't believe any of the later silent 814 or 1014's were XL, but I could be wrong.

Those early 814's are cool cameras with a nice design. Much simpler, and I like that folding grip. Yes, I would use an external 85 filter too, but you can always test and see which one looks better. You know of course that with black-and-white film you don't need the filter....

Have fun.
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 07:20 AM

That article is a bit misleading about 'cheap bits of plastic'. Gel filters are perfectly satisfactory and there's no reason why the built-in 85 should perform worse than an external 85 unless you pay a lot of money for a Tiffen or the like.
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#7 Jose Danzi

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 03:06 PM

Hi people !

Im back from trip and i finished shooting, and i noticed that with my vision 2 already inside the camera with 10feet/20feet, when i tried to turn off the filter the switch the switch stuked and until the end of the film i shot everything with the filter on :( Why? Hope the inside filter is good.

I will telecine in a profissional house here in Brazil with Telecine Dixie-Debrie ( :blink: is that machine good ? ) in miniDV, soon i will put the film here.

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#8 Jim Carlile

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 11:14 PM

Hi people !

Im back from trip and i finished shooting, and i noticed that with my vision 2 already inside the camera with 10feet/20feet, when i tried to turn off the filter the switch the switch stuked and until the end of the film i shot everything with the filter on :( Why? Hope the inside filter is good.


Are you sure the filter was on? That VISION cartridge should have pushed in the filter pin, which would disable the filter. It would also freeze the switch to keep you from moving it. That's the whole idea-- to use an external filter only.

I'll bet it's OK.
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#9 Jose Danzi

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 03:09 PM

Hi !
Im sure it was on before i put the cartridge because with the shutter running i saw an orange filter, but i don't know if the cartridge disabled the filter, is my film ok without the filter? I think it could be corrected right?
We will see it when telecine is done... :unsure:

Just a question, how many time in my fridge the film can be after exposed? I have done shooting in day 30 and i will send to telecine house in day 10/11.
A 2/3 days sedex ( the fedex here ) will damage the film? We are in summer here, with temps around 89.6 Fº to 104 Fº

Thanks for the help guys ;)
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#10 Jim Carlile

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 10:32 PM

You're OK with the time and the temperature-- it should be no problem. And any likely 85 filter problem can be corrected in the transfer.

If you push in the filter pin while looking down the lens, you should see the filter going out of the light path. Just push it in and out and see what happens.

But I doubt that the filter was 'in' while you had that cartridge in the camera-- it should have disabled it.
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#11 Jose Danzi

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 04:13 AM

You're OK with the time and the temperature-- it should be no problem. And any likely 85 filter problem can be corrected in the transfer.

If you push in the filter pin while looking down the lens, you should see the filter going out of the light path. Just push it in and out and see what happens.

But I doubt that the filter was 'in' while you had that cartridge in the camera-- it should have disabled it.


Thanks a lot Jim, you tranquilized me. I pushed and check again before putting my cartridge, there are an orange filter and working, but i doubt too that the filter was on.

The corrected 85 filter look almost the same thing that a footage with it? I'm not very worried about that, just curious :)

Thanks again for the help, the people here are awesome! :lol:
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 06:21 PM

Thanks a lot Jim, you tranquilized me. I pushed and check again before putting my cartridge, there are an orange filter and working, but i doubt too that the filter was on.

The corrected 85 filter look almost the same thing that a footage with it? I'm not very worried about that, just curious :)

Thanks again for the help, the people here are awesome! :lol:



José,

Did you shoot a gray scale at the head of the roll? If not, this simple step will help the colorist correct the film to the proper setting when transfering. If you are shooting negative or if you know that you will be transferring the film to digital, then shooting at least a gray card, if not the entire scale, will negate the need for using the filter. Granted, with proper filtration, you will get the most color and tonal range that the film can provide, correcting for daylight with tungsten film is really no big deal. If you didn't do it this time, don't worry, it is just a good habit to get into. Please post your footage, we'd love to see it.
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 08:35 PM

José,

Did you shoot a gray scale at the head of the roll? If not, this simple step will help the colorist correct the film to the proper setting when transfering. If you are shooting negative or if you know that you will be transferring the film to digital, then shooting at least a gray card, if not the entire scale, will negate the need for using the filter. Granted, with proper filtration, you will get the most color and tonal range that the film can provide, correcting for daylight with tungsten film is really no big deal. If you didn't do it this time, don't worry, it is just a good habit to get into. Please post your footage, we'd love to see it.


No i didn't, but this is needed with the filter working? If it is i'm gonna buy one for my short film project.
Thanks for the very well explained reply :)

Until february the footage is here with the explained stops on all scenes and everything.

Hope you guys like Rio de Janeiro, i filmed mostly the beaches, people, the sea, my mom :lol:
But with no ND filter, hope everything is good ;)
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#14 Jim Carlile

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 10:50 PM

The corrected 85 filter look almost the same thing that a footage with it? I'm not very worried about that, just curious.


Not sure about that. But people do this all the time and it seems to work.
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 10:39 AM

my super 8 has arrived, now 10 days to telecine.
yeahh!

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Just a question, i will do it in MiniDV, the quality is way better than DVD, i know that,
but if the telecine do in a not soo compressed file in the dvd (like an .avi or .mov , 4.45gb), it will be close to MiniDV or not?

I'm hoping the telecine guys don't scratch my film, i'm doing in another telecine house, close to my home, but they are professional ( i hope :( )
And if someone asks it, i have done Prep for Telecine in the lab that processed the film.

That's it, thanks, bye
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