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#1 Matt Kelly

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 07:32 PM

Hey i'm home for the holidays and suddenly realized that I have a perfect opportunity to do some random work in dad's wood shop.   

Would any of you guys mind posting some reference measurements for...maybe the diameter of the marker holes and such in a regular frontbox?  I believe a standard slate is 11" x 9.5" -ish, but if it's a little more/less than 11" EXACTLY, please let me know.

I'm also curious if anyone knows where to get a front box bracket that's black with a red button on one side that slides horizontally for locking.  I hate the crap out of those purple don earl ones, but saw a guy with this red and black one once that was amazingly easy to get on and off.... like easier than a non locking one.  i can't find it!!

Anyway, if it works out ok, I may make a couple more for anyone who wants something cheap (because really.... $260 filmtools?.... it should make minor automatic repairs to air conditioners for that price).
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#2 Chris Keth

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 08:17 PM

I have some drawings I made in NeoOffice for a frontbox if you are interested. The base measurments were taken from a slate, various markers I had around, and a frontbox a friend has. NeoOffice is a free DL, BTW.
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#3 Chris Keth

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 08:42 PM

Here's a couple of PDFs that might spark some ideas. I made the box as one big open container with many slots to accommodate dividers that can be moved at will. The marker block and an extension box are made to fit in these dividers so the box can be set up in a compact way and in a larger, more "studio" way.
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The overall width is 12.5 and accomodates a normal slate's width of 11" (plus or minus about an eighth of an inch on width and plus or minus 1/32 or so on the thickness).

I don't know how you are at fabricating metal but you could pretty easily make a bracket that locks with a clevis pin.

Edited by Chris Keth, 24 December 2007 - 08:46 PM.

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#4 Kar Wai Ng

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Posted 25 December 2007 - 12:54 AM

I was actually thinking about ordering one of those don earl brackets...matt, what makes you hate them in particular?
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Posted 25 December 2007 - 01:18 AM

i dunno, just generally hard to operate... and you know the occasional frustation that is pulling off a a frontbox with a STANDARD bracket. or maybe i just dont have the right "jiggle" to it. The purple Don Earl thing is whatever frustration that is times 15.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 12:23 PM

please post pictures when you're done, i've been thinking about taking a shot at making one too.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 02:34 PM

Here's a couple of PDFs that might spark some ideas. I


Hi Chris,

I can't open your files. Got a 404 error. Can you please re-post them? Thanks!

Cheers, Dave

PS: Have a great new year, all!
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 04:57 PM

Matt,
any luck with your project? i was also wondering if anyone was aware of a way to make a frontbox work on a smaller tripod that doesn't have bolts on the head. i use a vinten tripod at work and the head is too small to accommodate the box, but i'm trying to figure out a way to make it work anyway. any creative suggestions?
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 03:58 PM

Matt,
any luck with your project? i was also wondering if anyone was aware of a way to make a frontbox work on a smaller tripod that doesn't have bolts on the head. i use a vinten tripod at work and the head is too small to accommodate the box, but i'm trying to figure out a way to make it work anyway. any creative suggestions?


Umm.... honestly short of modifying the head to fit some kind of bracketry, i can't think of a good way that's not a complete PITA. I remember replacing the regular bracket on a frontbox once with a slightly modifed L-bracket from Lowes, because this old Worral head we were using didn't have frontbox mounting pins either. Drilled a hole in the top of the L, and it was held in place by the screw that holds the wedge to engage/disengage the tilt gear mesh (or whatever you would call it). You could MAYBE do that sort of thing, but you'd probably be making a baseplate and your frontbox would end up tilting with the camera. I can't think of a good way other than really trying to modify the head.
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#10 Chris Keth

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 04:39 PM

You could make a bracket that sandwiches in between the head and the ball that fits in the bowl on the sticks. The ball usually goes onto the head with a big 3/8-16 screw and a couple set screws to make sure it doesn't unscrew. You might have to drill the plate strategically so that the set screws can still do their job.

Imaging a disc with a protrusion on one side that is bent down 90 degrees. That bent-down bit could either hold pins for a standard frontbox bracket or an attachment of your own design, since you would likely want a smaller frontbox than normal for a smaller tripod.
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 05:56 PM

thanks for the ideas. sachtler actually makes an adapter:
http://www.bhphotovi...OX_ADAPTER.html
my thoughts so far have been to try and make something similar that would attach to the legs rather than the head in order to avoid any problems when the camera tilts or pans.
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 07:20 PM

Well in that case, you could do all sorts of things. Chris's idea is basically the same as the Worral thing, only it becomes stationary. I figure most people want the box to pan along with the head, but not tilt, which is what that Sachtler adapter would do.
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 02:15 AM

Check it!!

Total cost = $28

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I think it turned out pretty decent for no plans (assuming everything fits when i check it out in a couple days). Chris Keth, thank you tons for those diagrams. I'm assuming it looks proportionally correct, but the total height is about a 1/2-3/4" shallower than a standard one I think.... And the drill press motor broke after half a hole, so the done-by-hand holes are kinda sucky.
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 06:15 PM

Matt,
looks good. did you assemble the box with glue or fasteners? and what did you use for the mounting bracket on the back?
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#15 Chris Keth

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 07:42 PM

That looks great. I'll have to actually act on the plans I drew up and make myself a similar one. Nice work, for about 10% of the cost of the Don Earl one from Filmtools!
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 07:54 PM

Matt,
looks good. did you assemble the box with glue or fasteners? and what did you use for the mounting bracket on the back?


It's pretty much all glue. The bottom also has drilled in finish nails. As far as the bracket goes, I haven't actually been back to LA to go pick it up. I think it's just 4 screws in the back of it. Still would like to find that sliding lock one though. <_<

I was thinking about making a lid for it.. i mean why not. Was trying to think of something new to try with it, but didn't want to spend too much time planning. Could maybe add a little offset cup holder.. or some speakers and an ipod slot! Yeah?............ Well I'll think of something new eventually...maybe... :blink:
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 09:50 PM

Still would like to find that sliding lock one though. <_<


Try studio depot. I saw a bracket there that was different than the Don Earl one you don't like.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:31 AM

Yes! That Studio Depot one was it actually! Funny I walked in and was told they didn't carry anything frontbox related. I walked around for a bit and kept scanning the walls.. took a while to find but since they didn't seem to know about it, they sold it to me for $54 instead of some price above 80 bucks that it was initially.

If anyone else is interested in it, I got the impression that restocking it is very low priority (since they didn't have a correct inventory in the computer). There's only 3 or so left. Tell them you know someone who got it for $50 if they try to charge more. :)

Also, I would post a picture of it, but I have no charged batteries in the house, and my cell phone apparently makes my computer freeze.
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Posted 26 January 2008 - 02:32 AM

I've seen and handled the Matt Kelly special front box and endorse it whole heartedly. I suggested an iPod dock with some speakers and Matt said he would make that happen. It's really a nice piece of work, so call Matt up and put him to work on one for you at a great low price. I happen to know that in between measuring, cutting, sanding and gluing up front box pieces all he does is play Halo 3 on 1080p HD. That's what the strike does to hard working camera guys!

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 02:38 AM

CSC in New York has the Black and Red locking front box bracket you mentioned. I picked one up with a frontbox from there about a year ago. The black and red bracket is very easy to use, never had a problem with it.
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