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#1 Alex Hall

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 12:21 PM

I will be shooting a short film in black in white this spring. This will be my first time lighting for black and white. Can anyone recommend any films that have helped them in the past when lighting for black and white. Also any other advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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#2 John Holland

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 12:34 PM

When you say "film" do mean stock type or movies that have shot in B+W ?
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#3 Edgar Dubrovskiy

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 01:33 PM

La Haine
Schilder's list
13 Tzameti
8 1/2
Eros (Steven Soderbergh's part)
Coffee and Cigarettes
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 03:29 PM

When you say "film" do mean stock type or movies that have shot in B+W ?


Movies that have been shot in black and white.
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#5 Mike Williamson

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 03:43 PM

"Down By Law" shot by Robbie Mueller
"8 1/2" shot by Gianni Di Venanzo
"Touch of Evil" shot by Russell Metty
"Only Angels Have Wings" shot Joseph Walker
"Shanghai Express" shot by Lee Garmes
"7th Victim" shot by Nic Musaraca
"Broadway Danny Rose" shot by Gordon Willis
"Vivre Sa Vie" shot by Raoul Coutard
"Long Voyage Home" shot by Gregg Toland
"Citizen Kane" shot by Gregg Toland
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#6 Mike Williamson

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 03:53 PM

And some chat threads that may prove useful posted by Jayson Crothers about his last feature "The Naked Eye":

http://www.cinematog...showtopic=26327

http://www.cinematog...showtopic=26872

http://www.cinematog...showtopic=26996
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#7 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:56 PM

"Down By Law" shot by Robbie Mueller
"8 1/2" shot by Gianni Di Venanzo
"Touch of Evil" shot by Russell Metty
"Only Angels Have Wings" shot Joseph Walker
"Shanghai Express" shot by Lee Garmes
"7th Victim" shot by Nic Musaraca
"Broadway Danny Rose" shot by Gordon Willis
"Vivre Sa Vie" shot by Raoul Coutard
"Long Voyage Home" shot by Gregg Toland
"Citizen Kane" shot by Gregg Toland


I would add to that excellent list:
Night of the Hunter (Stanley Cortez)
The Fugitive (Gabriel Figueroa)
Out of the Past (Nic Musaraca)
How Green Was My Valley (Arthur Miller)
Yojimbo (Kazuo Miyagawa)
Elephant Man (Freddie Francis)
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#8 Jim Malone

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 05:02 PM

I think "The Man Who Wasn't There" shot by Roger Deakins is stunningly beautiful.
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#9 Dan Goulder

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 06:54 PM

I think "The Man Who Wasn't There" shot by Roger Deakins is stunningly beautiful.

That was shot on color stock, and printed in black and white.

For a more recent film shot in black and white (some parts), I'd recommend Memento. It's got some of the sharpest black and white cinematography I've ever seen. In fact, if anyone happens to know how the B&W scenes were lit, and especially what T-stops were used, please post the info.
Thanks.
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#10 Jim Malone

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 07:33 PM

That was shot on color stock, and printed in black and white.


This is true. Still looks amazing though.
I heard there are a couple bootleg copies of the film floating around that are in color. I would love to get my hands on those to see what they look like.
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#11 Alex Hall

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:35 PM

Thanks alot! I'm off to try to find copies of all these films.
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#12 Jayson Crothers

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 02:34 AM

Mike beat me to it, but take a look at some of my past postings for my thoughts on shooting B&W.

You can find info about "Memento" in both AC (April 2001) and ICG (March 2001); in summary: 5222 with a 1/2 stop push (a few years ago he also mentioned that he did a 1/2 stop push on "Batman Begins"), E-Series Anamorphics, T4, no filtration, all Tungsten Units, printed to color stock (printing B&W to color stock introduces a VERY subtle red tint - you really don't see it unless you're looking for it or unless you compare the print to one that's actually done on B&W).
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#13 Jayson Crothers

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 02:38 AM

You should also take a look at "L'Avventura" by Michelangelo Antonioni.
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#14 James Baker

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 03:16 AM

IMHO, some really beautiful black and white films:

"Damnation" Bela Tarr

"Andrei Rublev" Andrei Tarkovsky

"I Fidanzati" Ermanno Olmi

"Soy Cuba" Mikhail Kalatozov
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#15 Edgar Dubrovskiy

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 01:45 PM

Tarkovski's "Stalker" most certainly.
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#16 John Holland

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 02:14 PM

" Casablanca "
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#17 John Allen

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 03:21 PM

"The Big Heat"
"Laura"
"The Big Combo"
"Sunset Blvd."
"Oliver Twist" (1948)
"The Naked City"

Pretty much any of the 40-50's film noir movies are excelent in B&W.
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#18 Kiarash Sadigh

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 04:54 PM

I'm surprised that there is not a single recommendation for Sven Nykvist's magnificient body of B&W work...
does Persona ring a bell??
for other B&W works of master Nykvist chekout:
-The Virgin Srping
-Hour of the Wolf
-Shame
-Winterlight
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#19 John Allen

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 05:16 PM

I forgot to mention Alfred Hitchcock's "Rebecca", shot by George Barnes, is another one.
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#20 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 11:59 PM

I forgot to mention Alfred Hitchcock's "Rebecca", shot by George Barnes, is another one.


Also "Jane Eyre", shot by George Barnes.

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