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#1 Stuart Brereton

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:38 PM

Does anyone know of any 16mm cameras that can be hand-cranked. Is there anything factory built, or am I looking at a DIY conversion?
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#2 Patrick Neary

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 01:21 PM

Hi-

A B&H filmo (with a crank in the motor-socket) would be the cheapest and easiest. Devry 16mm cameras are harder to find, double perf only, and only give you 6 frames per turn (the filmo is 8, so 2-turns for 16fps).
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#3 Sir Alvin Ekarma

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 02:57 PM

The K3 can be hand cranked; you can get a hand crank accessory that will not only help you wind the camera, but let you do shoot Old-timey-silent-movie-style although it's not something I've personally done http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem
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#4 Nick Mulder

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 02:59 PM

All bolexes - even the EBM (ok, not the EL ;))
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#5 David Auner aac

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 03:58 PM

All bolexes - even the EBM (ok, not the EL ;))


Hehe, I knew you'd be me to that one, Mr. Resident Bolex Guru!

@Stuart, there are a number of really old ones as well IIRC. Do you need anything special? A specific lens mount?

Cheers, Dave
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#6 Patrick Neary

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:04 PM

Nothing against Bolexes, except for handcranking- those tiny little cranks are a pain, and they fall out of the little crankshaft too easily!
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#7 Nick Mulder

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:08 PM

Nothing against Bolexes, except for handcranking- those tiny little cranks are a pain, and they fall out of the little crankshaft too easily!


Yip, especially in the 1:1 - annoying! ...but with it on 64fps on 1:1 you get some wild variance in speed/exposure if that is what you are after - 8:1 with the governor on 12fps and its quite smooth (hard work still)

A longer armed version with a mount to stop it falling out could be built I suppose - just like a tobin motor but with a crank
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#8 John Sprung

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 05:10 PM

8:1 is what most of the early hand crank cameras used. It's a comfortable ratio for 16 - 18 fps, not as easy for 24. To get any of those speeds with a 1:1 would be quite an athletic feat.



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#9 Stuart Brereton

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 05:34 PM

Ok.

thanks everyone. Our director is looking for a Tony Scott look, so i'm guessing a 1:1 drive shaft would be impossible. Which of the Bolexes would be more suited?
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#10 Nick Mulder

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 05:45 PM

Ok.

thanks everyone. Our director is looking for a Tony Scott look, so i'm guessing a 1:1 drive shaft would be impossible. Which of the Bolexes would be more suited?


Any of them really - they all have 8:1 - best part is you could try to get a bolex J (old surveillance camera) - no motor, light weight and cheap - you can easily file the gate to super16 and recentre the lens mount, hardest part would be converting the deep thread c-mount to a standard mount by milling it flat, RX collimated wide lenses should be ok stopped down - *no reflex or even (easy) parallax viewing though*

either that or a beater RX2/RX1 etc... parallax models are fine to if you dont need the prism.

IIRC I think Top Gun was totally hand-cranked on an RX2 :lol:
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