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#1 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 03:01 PM

Hi,

I'm shooting a music video in a large dance hall/bar (used to be a church), we should be shooting either on the Sony EX1 or Panasonic HVX, (the camera's lighting requirments I'm yet to test.)

As you can see from the photos, the place is enormous and it is begining to feel a slightly daunting and overwhelming task.

The band will be playing on the stage as a story unfolds in the bar.

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The director says he won't be usings conventional wide shots, but will still be requiring large parts of the space to be lit at one time.

At the moment i'm hoping to create pools of light for different areas of the bar, unfortunatly we have had a chance at an indepth recce to investigate all teh pre-existing practicals.

My first draft of a lighting kit is:

2 x Divalite 400
12 x Dedo Lights
3 x 800W Redheads
10 x domestic 100W Bulbs for the hanging shades (currently they have 60W)
Lastly, what i'm not sure to use - something to mimick a theatre spotlight

Naturally the video is very low budget, and i'm sure compromises will be made further on this list.

If anyone has anything to suggest, advice or recomendations, absolutly anything will be appreciated.

Cheers,
Andy
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#2 Tony Brown

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 04:13 PM

Why light the whole place? Boring.

Concentrate on the important area(s) and let the rest go. Get the Art Dept to dress some reflective objects around and use a light haze to spread the highlights from these. Have a few wild Coolie shades with praticals on dimmers to float fro angle to angle. fast, realistic and effective

Remember the best tone on the screen is black. Without black, colours have no punch.
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#3 jeffrey Siljenberg

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 06:03 PM

I would concentrate on the shiny surfaces. Try to get some Speculare hits in there. Light only what you need and what compliments the frame and your talent. Audience forgives a lot for pretty pictures. Continuity doesn?t matter too much from shot to shot. I'm also slow to use the Diva on budgets like this and even kino I'm a little slow. I'd much rather have an HMI. If space is not an issue I can always make a hard light soft can't really go the other way. If I where to use kinos, it would be the classic ones so I could take apart and shove in small spaces. As far as your theater spot light just a source 4 or kind of ellipse light.

Oh one other thing If I where to use the 10 practicles I wouldn't replace it with regulare bulbs I would use something with a little spot to it MR-16 or even those screw in par 75 watt outdoor bulbs from GE.

Best wishes have a good show and enjoy it.

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Hi,

I'm shooting a music video in a large dance hall/bar (used to be a church), we should be shooting either on the Sony EX1 or Panasonic HVX, (the camera's lighting requirments I'm yet to test.)

As you can see from the photos, the place is enormous and it is begining to feel a slightly daunting and overwhelming task.

The band will be playing on the stage as a story unfolds in the bar.

http://www.facebook....mp;id=766195112

http://www.facebook....mp;id=766195112

http://www.facebook....mp;id=766195112

http://www.facebook....mp;id=766195112

http://www.facebook....mp;id=766195112


The director says he won't be usings conventional wide shots, but will still be requiring large parts of the space to be lit at one time.

At the moment i'm hoping to create pools of light for different areas of the bar, unfortunatly we have had a chance at an indepth recce to investigate all teh pre-existing practicals.

My first draft of a lighting kit is:

2 x Divalite 400
12 x Dedo Lights
3 x 800W Redheads
10 x domestic 100W Bulbs for the hanging shades (currently they have 60W)
Lastly, what i'm not sure to use - something to mimick a theatre spotlight

Naturally the video is very low budget, and i'm sure compromises will be made further on this list.

If anyone has anything to suggest, advice or recomendations, absolutly anything will be appreciated.

Cheers,
Andy


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#4 Rupe Whiteman

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 08:29 AM

... for the spotlight use a par can or a leko...

lighting is all about creating a mood and atmosphere... the units you've listed are pretty small but if you're not planning on using a 'conventional wide shot' you should be okay - it but if you're planning on using any gels/diffuser's remember you'll lose a lot of stop on the units. It's always worth either having a smaller hmi or some 2k tungstens which have good punch, can be easily molded, flagged & chopped and can be bounced well. If you're on a budget you're better off enhancing the existing practicals and available locations lights rather than fighting them - if you know what I mean... I'd be inclined to a have some 4 bank kinos - the diva's are okay for close ups but have little throw...
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#5 Alex Wuijts

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 10:02 AM

... for the spotlight use a par can or a leko...


might as well rent a real spotlight, that way you can vary the size and shape of the beam very easily. Or does a leko do that as well?

Edited by Alex Wuijts, 27 February 2008 - 10:03 AM.

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#6 jeffrey Siljenberg

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 12:13 PM

It's an ad on feature that works just like the Spot lights. It's an iris that just goes where a cookie would. If you don't have that then you can use black rap and be ok (note: if your using over a 1k leko you may want sheet metal). As far as other units, this Depends on how much of an actual spot you want. Pars and babies have relatively soft edges a leko can be very crisp or soft. Dealer?s choice. Best Wishes.

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might as well rent a real spotlight, that way you can vary the size and shape of the beam very easily. Or does a leko do that as well?


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#7 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 04:21 PM

Thanks for the tips Tony, Jeffrey, Rupe and Alex...

... I realise my original list was a little 'nervous' I was putting in too many small and soft lights to deal with the contrast limitations of digital and forgeting the demands of the space.

I'm going to call around and see what I can get with the budget... and then probably require more advice!!

Thanks for everyones time and participation on this, as you can see I'm feeling a little overwhelmed by this one, and its great to get good solid advice.

Cheers,
Andy
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#8 David Auner aac

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Posted 05 March 2008 - 02:18 AM

Hi Andy,

I'd get a couple of PARs/PARcans in different sizes (PAR64, 56, 36), throws (VNSP, NSP, MFL, WFL) and wattages (I have 300W, 500 and 1k). These will help you in many situations and you can hide them in the shot since they won't seems out of place in a venue like that! They are really cheap too!
If you want to mount them on normal stands be sure to get TVMP adapters for them. You can also use Mafer clamps in a pinch!

Cheers, Dave
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