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Anton 3P vs Arri BL IV


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#1 Glen Alexander

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 03:27 PM

Which is quietest in the real world? Not from specs...
@4perf, 24fps
would like opinions from people who have actually used these on locations.

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#2 Glen Alexander

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 03:37 PM

Anton 3p or Arri BL IV for syn sound.

Which is quietest in the real world? Not from specs...

@4perf, 24fps

what was the directivity of the microphone used? mkh 416? or 418S?

would like opinions from people who have actually used these on locations.


Thanks!
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#3 Dan Goulder

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 04:33 PM

Assuming both cameras are well maintained, the BL-4 should be a bit quieter. The specific project you're shooting can also be a factor in camera choice. If you're planning on a lot of handheld shots, the Aaton may be the preferred choice, with the understanding that a bit more care needs to be taken to keep any potential camera noise out of the shot.
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#4 Glen Alexander

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 07:47 AM

Assuming both cameras are well maintained, the BL-4 should be a bit quieter. The specific project you're shooting can also be a factor in camera choice. If you're planning on a lot of handheld shots, the Aaton may be the preferred choice, with the understanding that a bit more care needs to be taken to keep any potential camera noise out of the shot.




changing gears somewhat, how about a moviecam?
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#5 Dan Goulder

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 10:30 AM

changing gears somewhat, how about a moviecam?

measurably quieter still... but in real shooting situations, you're not going to pick up camera noise from any Arri that has been well-maintained from a BL-3 or later.
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#6 John Brawley

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 03:56 PM

Anton 3p or Arri BL IV for syn sound.

Which is quietest in the real world? Not from specs...

@4perf, 24fps

what was the directivity of the microphone used? mkh 416? or 418S?

would like opinions from people who have actually used these on locations.


Thanks!



The arri will be quieter generally. The movicam (compact ?) will probably be a little quieter again. The Aaton is probably one of the noisier sync sound cameras around. But it has it's own specific advantages. Of course it can do 3 perf. Faster magazine changes. Aatoncode (unless it's a BL Evolution with the aatoncode option). Aaton Glow. Can take an Eshot. Lighter. Smaller. Easier to handhold.

But only 400' Mags....

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#7 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 10:14 AM

The design philosophy differences between the Aaton 35-series and the Arriflex 35 BL-series are quite significant, and I am unsure if their noise during sync-sound is a reasonable criterion for choosing between these two!

As a Direct Cinema documentarist, I would never even think about going for an Arriflex 35 BL-series camera due to its weight and "rhino-on-shoulder" ergonomics. The quieter running noise it will certainly have over any Aaton 35-model, irrespective of that one's perf configuration, is of little help when you collapse after 24h with this camera on your shoulder while following your filmed subject along.

Having said that, this should not be read that the Aaton 35 is for light-weight/shoulder use only and the Arriflex 35 BL is prefered for heavy-duty Panahead-style feature productions. As John pointed out, the Aaton 35, esp. the latest III-model, has alot of functions and options that Arriflex only incorporated at a later time after Aaton pioneered them. If you are about to rent one for a small feature production (which I presume your question is about), then having features like AatonGlow in your viewfinder at night and being able to change mags fast is a help in any shooting situation - let alone the 3-perf shooting scenario...

What Moviecam design are you specifically asking about, btw?

It would be interesting to see how the Aaton Penelope might compare in these respects to a silenced Arriflex 235 or a smaller new Arricam model if they ever decide to make one (which I doubt - I think the Arricam series will eventually merge with the current Arriflex line into a totally new Arriflex generation - unless the bought-in boys from Vienna have a different view on lineage... ;) )
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#8 Mitch Gross

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 02:02 PM

The Penelope will run very quietly. No issues for sync sound unless you're all squeezed into a closet together.
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