Posted 03 May 2008 - 12:49 PM
What are some examples of badly shot films I should check out? I'm thinking larger, like "1492"
Posted 03 May 2008 - 02:33 PM
1 - is the artist being truthful to themselves in their objective with their art
1 - is the artist trying to manipulate, enlighten, provoke, or entertain their audience
2 - how do they intend to accomplish this
3 - did they succeed in their own mind
If the artist truly feels that they succeeded, then it is quality. But of course, we never really know what the artist is actually thinking and often they will bullshit their way through justifying themselves if they feel their credibility/talent/judgment is threatened.
What came to mind for me is The Larry Sanders Show. I love this show. I have the DVD set "Not Just the Best of..." The show was intentionally lit flat with zero theatricality. However, there are many times when I see the boom making a little cameo. I dont think the boom was intentional.
But you can watch a movie that you think has bad cinematography that someone else thinks has good cinematography and the two of you can argue til youre blue in the nuts. But what only matters is what the director and DP and art directors intentions were. And only they know that answer. And if you ask them, again, they may not even tell the truth if they want to justify whatever mistakes they think they made, but wont admit to.
Posted 04 May 2008 - 04:38 AM
Now if you want to see film done by people who cared more about content that technique, I'd check out another maggot baby boomer who was working from 1959 to 1986 as a director named John Cassavetes. See long before you young turks, in your case young turkettes, started this "It's ALLL about content, not how pretty it's filmed" revolution, John was making films that defined the revolution, then in 1995, 'bout the time you were maybe 6, Danish directors Lars von Trier and Thomas Vinterberg started a movement meant to be a return to pure cinema called Dogma 95 which simply took away most of the film tools available like lights, tripods, music, genres, titles, even credit for the director leaving basically the camera, the actors and the story. Then there was a guy named Harmony Korine who made some very good films on a video camera using Dogma techniques in the late 90s.
I've been thinking about it, Nikki. I think you made a mistake moving to LA. You actually would probably do better in NYC. The kind of anger, frustration and break the rules just for the sake of breaking them attitude seems to be nurtured more on the East coast than on the West. You seriously might want to think about a change.
Posted 04 May 2008 - 05:55 AM
IMHO it's always better to fight FOR something rather than against SOMETHING.
Stop ranting, save that energy and use it to start MAKING.
Just a bit of advice and not meant to be preachy.
Posted 04 May 2008 - 06:27 AM
Perhaps you should check out European "art house" cinema of the 1960s, but again they had a simple style, which suited their subject matter, rather than a polished Hollywood product.
Hipster chic, sounds rather superficial and lacking ideas.
Posted 05 May 2008 - 10:10 PM
Stan Brakhage made amazing films without using a camera, forget lights and gloss! Blade Runner is a marvel of art direction and cinematography that continues to influence dp's twenty years later. (almost 30?)
Check out Hou Hsiao-hsien's work. It is absurdly beautiful, without resorting to common "prettification", and totally without artifice.