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#1 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 03:39 AM

I read a few months back an article about Indy4 where Spielberg mentioned there would be no digital prints made of Indy 4. Lo and behold i notice today that the Odeon in Liecester square (london) is projecting the movie digitaly.
Now obviously he could have changed his mind but im wondering do the distributors have the option of creating their own digital prints to suit their cinema chains if none were provided by the filmmakers?
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#2 Max Jacoby

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 04:38 AM

I find that hard to believe. But films have to get scanned anyway, for the later Blue-Ray HD release, so making a DCI master is probably not that big of an issue.
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#3 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 05:45 AM

Lo and behold i notice today that the Odeon in Liecester square (london) is projecting the movie digitaly.


Stephen, may I inquire where you got that info from? I assumed cine-prints as well based on Spielberg's comments, but a friend told me without having a source (hear-say) that Odeon would screen it digitally. I am just trying to get down to where the info originated. Personally, I am unsure to what extend even Odeon has the financial ability or bargaining to insist on choosing the projection medium vis-à-vis Paramount/Lucasfilms.
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#4 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 07:18 AM

Stephen, may I inquire where you got that info from? I assumed cine-prints as well based on Spielberg's comments, but a friend told me without having a source (hear-say) that Odeon would screen it digitally. I am just trying to get down to where the info originated. Personally, I am unsure to what extend even Odeon has the financial ability or bargaining to insist on choosing the projection medium vis-à-vis Paramount/Lucasfilms.


Michael,
Got my tickets from the odeon LS this morning and their website says its a digital projection. guess we'll find out soon enough.
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#5 Max Jacoby

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 07:38 AM

Michael,
Got my tickets from the odeon LS this morning and their website says its a digital projection. guess we'll find out soon enough.

So you're attending London's most expensive cinema ;) I haven't been there since I can't get student discounts anymore. I was never too keen of the layout anyway: if you're sitting on the ground floor, you can sit the correct distance to the screen, but it is slightly angled. If you're sitting on the balcony, the screen is at the right angle, but you're too far away...
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#6 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 09:33 AM

So you're attending London's most expensive cinema ;) .


Every cinema here is expensive:) It was a real wake up call because in Dublin the screens i was used to were generally of a higher standard and half the price.
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Posted 06 May 2008 - 02:15 PM

Every cinema here is expensive:) It was a real wake up call because in Dublin the screens i was used to were generally of a higher standard and half the price.


http://www.princecharlescinema.com/

It used to be cheaper but it's still super cheap if you are a member and I expect it is still cheaper than a lot of cinemas in London.

Tickets are only £1.50 if you can make the matinees and you are a member!

Hope that helps! :)

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#8 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 03:05 PM

Oops, thanks for the Odeon LS website hint - bad research stamina from my side made obvious :) .

But gosh, Stephen, you already got your Indy IV tickets?!? I thought to give it some more time, but I guess "beating the hype" isn't a good idea if you want to pick and choose your exact seat (without appearing to geeky, but I guess most of us here have a prefered number in respective theatres.. or is it just me :unsure: ?)

I guess I will get myself into motion to get my tickets. What a shame about the projection. It would have been nice to see the much-discussed Spielberg chain 'til the end...

As there was a whiff of good British moaning detectable in this thread, let me happily join in: What annoys me mostly today is the drink-&-popcorn-munching atmo in some bigger screenplaces, part. Odeon.
Occassionally, one could feel like being in a food outlet. Nothing against a snack, but sometimes, it seems to be more about the food than the film - or this is sentiment just me again?! :rolleyes:
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#9 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 05:39 PM

Hi Freya,
Ive been to the PC once and although teh projection was fine i wasnt crazy about the inverse sloped seating it was cheap though.
Michael,
What can i say - im a spielberg fan and a big indy fan although the trailer isnt doing much for me at the moment. Id rather see a movie as soon as it gets released so i can avoid too many reviews/spoilers and while the prints are still good.
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Posted 06 May 2008 - 09:26 PM

Hi Stephen,

How much is it to see a film in London? And whats the DCI standard in the UK, 2K - 4k? Here in Australia its still being discussed but perhaps Dominic Case could chime in there. Projection standard is so low in Melbourne that Ill be lucky to see it in focus with all the speakers working (I'm that guy that goes and complains at the counter in the middle of the film). Considering it was finished photochemically weren't you tempted to see a print?
I liked the first teaser trailer...

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#11 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 03:29 AM

Hi Stephen,

How much is it to see a film in London? And whats the DCI standard in the UK, 2K - 4k? Here in Australia its still being discussed but perhaps Dominic Case could chime in there. Projection standard is so low in Melbourne that Ill be lucky to see it in focus with all the speakers working (I'm that guy that goes and complains at the counter in the middle of the film). Considering it was finished photochemically weren't you tempted to see a print?
I liked the first teaser trailer...

Sasha


Hi Sasha,
Well 2 x seats for Indy in the "flagship" cinema in LS cost me £38 - which is stupid money - im only paying that for it because its a spielberg movie and i like the theatre's presentation - i dont go there very often. I'm actually a fan of Digital projection even though im very in favour of film origination. Ive seen a number of digital prints over the last year and they've all looked superb. In the case of Indy 4 id be quite happy to view a digital print provided its been created under the supervision of the original filmmakers regardless of wether or not the film went through a DI.
Keep on complaining about the projection standards!
S
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#12 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:17 AM

I think the low quality (or rather no quality) of print projection today makes it increasingly easy to appreciate digital projection - but that change has less to do with technological advancement but rather with the abandonment of training projectionists properly and maintaining the equipment.

On the other hand, some cinemas in Zürich think that "digital projection" means projecting the consumer DVD - as they did with "Barry Lyndon" and "Shining" during the Kubrick retrospective there :blink: !

As an Indy-fan myself and someone on the quest to re-experience that sens of wonder that films in theatres once gave you, particularly Spielberg (I know, I know: "À la recherche du temps perdu" syndrome), I am really looking forward to Indy IV.

But since Stephen's info, I am really torn now between shelling out and go to the Odeon - which was my original plan as I assumed to see a Spielbergian projection print. Or skip that and go for a 2K digital projection in the more intimate and less pricey (£12-15 pp) surroundings of the Everyman in Hampstead Village across the corner from my place... gosh, why did I read this thread?! It was all settled already in my mind :wacko: :)

By the way: one of the Crystal Skulls can be found at the British Museum, rather hidden in the left-hand corner in the first gallery that one enters at the northern end of the Great Court... it's not in a crate, but it almost takes a little adventure search to track it down. The BM's lack of capitalising on the film by pushing that exhibit into the limelight really astonished me... - maybe they have, however, moved it to a more prominent spot by now... I tracked it down with my partner (yeah, it took two humans to find it) in late March...
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#13 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:51 AM

But since Stephen's info, I am really torn now between shelling out and go to the Odeon - which was my original plan as I assumed to see a Spielbergian projection print. Or skip that and go for a 2K digital projection in the more intimate and less pricey (£12-15 pp) surroundings of the Everyman in Hampstead Village across the corner from my place... gosh, why did I read this thread?! It was all settled already in my mind :wacko: :)


Michael,
It is quite possible that the odeon have made a mistake on their website and are assuming they will have a digital print when they might in fact be showing a 35mm print. Im sure closer to the day they might be able to confirm what they're projecting.
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:45 AM

I wouldn't want to see a digital projection of a film that didn't go through a DI, because that probably entails them scanning the master positive rather than the OCN, and paying less attention to the fidelity of the scan than they would in DI.

I agree that a poorly-projected film print sucks, but that is all the more reason to go and try to find good projection in theatres and reward those theatres by giving them business and not giving business to those that abuse their prints.

Just my two cents.
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 11:22 AM

According to IMDB its shot Anamorphic and has been screwed up in a DI !! I know that site gets so much wrong and really hope this time they have got it very wrong ,one can only hope .
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 04:55 PM

According to IMDB its shot Anamorphic and has been screwed up in a DI !! I know that site gets so much wrong and really hope this time they have got it very wrong ,one can only hope .


Well John, Spielburg has up 'til now resisted doing a DI to an entire movie (the non-FX shots), but obviously all of the special effects shots these days have to go through some sort of DI since all of the model makers are dead :ph34r:
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:25 PM

Well John, Spielburg has up 'til now resisted doing a DI to an entire movie (the non-FX shots), but obviously all of the special effects shots these days have to go through some sort of DI since all of the model makers are dead :ph34r:


And the insurance costs with using real dinosaurs have become prohibitive :blink:

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#18 Ignacio Aguilar

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 06:21 PM

I believe "The Terminal" went through a DI for the entire movie, but "War of the Worlds" and "Munich" (both came after "The Terminal") were finished photochemically. "Munich" might even be the last optical blow-up from a Super-35 negative that I have seen at the theater, at least for medium-to-big budget productions.
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Posted 13 May 2008 - 12:29 PM

And the insurance costs with using real dinosaurs have become prohibitive :blink:

-Sam


What the hell is that supposed to mean?
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#20 John Holland

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 12:38 PM

Karl its a joke !!! Jurassic Park . get it ?
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