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#1 Kristian Schumacher

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 03:36 PM

Hi everyone,

I am looking into getting another 16mm/s16 camera and here is my order of priorities:

c-mount
Reflex (not pellicle)
S16/S16 convertable
High frame rate
Magazines (100, 200, 400, whatever..)
Crystal sync
small/low profile

From this, I have landed on the Eclair ACL as my preference, but I would love to have any other ideas pointed out to me.

Thanks,

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#2 Robert Houllahan

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 03:56 PM

The ACL is really nice but maybe look at an Aaton LTR too...


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#3 Kristian Schumacher

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 04:19 PM

The ACL is really nice but maybe look at an Aaton LTR too...


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Thanks for that Rob,

Could you let me know what you like better with the LTR? And anything that you don't like about either cam... Greatly appreciated,


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#4 Robert Houllahan

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 04:25 PM

Thanks for that Rob,

Could you let me know what you like better with the LTR? And anything that you don't like about either cam... Greatly appreciated,


Kristian



I like my LTR for it's orientable viewfinder and nice aesthetics, but the ACL is smaller and has both 200' and 400' mags available. If you get the ACL with a good motor it will run to 75fps which is only available on a XTR Aaton...I love may Aaton but have had good experiences with the ACL when I have used one..

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 05:48 PM

Hi everyone,

I am looking into getting another 16mm/s16 camera and here is my order of priorities:

c-mount
Reflex (not pellicle)
S16/S16 convertable
High frame rate
Magazines (100, 200, 400, whatever..)
Crystal sync
small/low profile

From this, I have landed on the Eclair ACL as my preference, but I would love to have any other ideas pointed out to me.

Thanks,
Kristian


Hi,
Rob's answer sounds good to me. It looks like you've narrowed it down to a few choices anyway. I directed two films (same DP) shot with Aaton LTR and XTR. They're great cameras. But I chose the ACL as a private owner for several reasons:
It takes all mounts, and adapters are not that expensive (don't forget lenses are way more expensive than the camera, but you can put together a fine series of older Cooke, Zeiss or Switar that will fit the ACL for quite a ridiculous amount, and it's great glass, even for 35mm blow-up.
The ACL is way cheaper to convert and maintain than the Aaton (so much that you could afford two; a second camera on hand is a must if you're on an independent shoot out there; no rental house you can call for fast replacement in case of troubleshooting).
A 200 feet mag and a c-mount prime makes it look like some loony collector's toy ? great to steal shots in public places without authorization.

Things that come to my mind you might want to bear in mind:
The ACL no matter how finely tuned will never be as quiet as an Aaton, though it's a quiet enough camera for most situations. So if you plan to shoot a lot of intimate stuff with let's say a 16 or 25mm lens, the Aaton is probably the tool for you.
The ACL is not great to use with a video tap: too much loss in the viewfinder. With Aaton, I'm not sure the LTR7 is very satisfactory on that level either.
You definitely want the ACL multi-speed heavy duty motor and the ACL 1,5 or 2 mag latch if you intend to pull 400 feet mags (they're compatible with the ACL 1 body, which is somewhat lighter and more compact.


Good luck and fine shooting,
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#6 Kristian Schumacher

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 02:41 AM

Thanks to both of you for your kind advice!

I guess that makes me even more certain the ACL is the one for me. I really want to be able to use c-mount lenses as well as renting say Zeiss primes. Size, profile and fps is also important as I will be trying to fit it all into an underwater housing. I have one nice c-mount wide lens and several Nikkors with an adapter, and I am using c-mount for high-speed with my Milliken camera.

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