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#21 Henri Titchen

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 06:57 AM

According to Paramount, they only have one place that can project VV, Gower Theater.... haven't found any in Paris.... yet!!


There are sometimes VistaVision projectors etc on e-bay. At the moment there are some KEM editing units see e-bay item no:
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#22 georg lamshöft

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 08:29 AM

There was an article on a magazine about a guy called Nico Beyer. He shots mainly commercials and uses Leica SLR-cameras for f/x-shots and a Vistavision-camera with Leica-R-lenses. He claimed that he wanted almost-65mm-quality with lower costs and more flexibility!?


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Posted 11 July 2008 - 11:57 AM

I am pretty amazed that Paramount still have a VistaVision projector in a viewing theatre you sure wont find another place in the world with the same . VistaVision is almost as good as 65mm , but its only used for VFX stuff so if you do shoot with it will have to be printed to 2.40 or 1.85 or [waste of time here i am afraid ] to 70mm as nobody seems to interested in showing 5 perf 70mm anymore .
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#24 John Sprung

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 01:31 PM

I am pretty amazed that Paramount still have a VistaVision projector in a viewing theatre you sure wont find another place in the world with the same . VistaVision is almost as good as 65mm , but its only used for VFX stuff so if you do shoot with it will have to be printed to 2.40 or 1.85 or [waste of time here i am afraid ] to 70mm as nobody seems to interested in showing 5 perf 70mm anymore .

Yes, they still have VV prints in the archive just a few hundred yards away from that room. Alas, there's only one projector, so no changeovers.




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#25 Glen Alexander

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 08:17 AM

Yes, they still have VV prints in the archive just a few hundred yards away from that room. Alas, there's only one projector, so no changeovers.

-- J.S.


Do they show any VV movies regularly?
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#26 Bruce McNaughton

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:17 PM

Hi, a couple of additions to the discussion...

The theatre at Paramount where I used to view VV prints was the GARY COOPER THEATER. It had a single Century projector, about 4 moth-eaten seats, an old standard lamp and smelled like a pre-war European train. However the screen image was steady enough.

Technicolor did an optical 70MM blow up from my VV neg, no intermediates. They similarly could do a direct reduction to 1.85:1 4 perf 35. Intermediates would be just as easy.

However the world turns and maybe the gear is now full of rust or cobwebs. Or perhaps there is no one there who knows how to operate it. I sure hope that the Technicolor management has changed...

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#27 Paul Bruening

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 12:53 AM

It's good to see you on the threads, Bruce.
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#28 Peter Moretti

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 01:00 AM

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The VistaVision format is the same size as the 35mm still camera format, so most VistaVision cameras use converted Nikons or medium format lenses. ...


Which makes me wonder what lenses will be used with Red's upcoming Epic, which will have a 35mm SLR full size sensor.

I've always assumed that cine lenses could fill a 36 X 24 negative, but the fall off would be significant, so the smaller negative size uses the sweetest spot of the lens. But perhaps I'm mistaken.

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#29 Glen Alexander

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 12:43 PM

Which makes me wonder what lenses will be used with Red's upcoming Epic, which will have a 35mm SLR full size sensor.

I've always assumed that cine lenses could fill a 36 X 24 negative, but the fall off would be significant, so the smaller negative size uses the sweetest spot of the lens. But perhaps I'm mistaken.



I need to find the absolute fastest 300mm or greater lens around 1.4

Any ideas?
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#30 Christian Appelt

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 09:24 AM

Yeah, how about a Nikon 300mm f/2 lens?

CameraQuest: Nikon 300mm f/2

Nikkor 300mm f/2

US$ 29.000 back then - and made on special order only. Weighs about 19 lbs. and should work nicely with the Wilcam VV cameras or the Actionflex 8-perf... :)

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 10:47 AM

That 8-plate KEM is a sight for sore eyes. Academy, 'Scope and VV on one bed. Wow. If I had 5000 bucks and a container, I'd buy it just to look at. It makes my Steenbeck look like a toy.
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#32 Glen Alexander

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:50 PM

Yeah, how about a Nikon 300mm f/2 lens?

CameraQuest: Nikon 300mm f/2

Nikkor 300mm f/2

US$ 29.000 back then - and made on special order only. Weighs about 19 lbs. and should work nicely with the Wilcam VV cameras or the Actionflex 8-perf... :)



Yes I found about this one today but can't find anyone in Los Angeles who has one to rent, I checked Samy's, Calumet, some smaller shops.

Any ideas?

Do you have it?


What about a massive wide, super-killer fast lens? like a 1.4 20mm ?
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#33 Glen Alexander

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:52 PM

I found a good 1.8 200mm but it is Canon... bastards
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#34 Glen Alexander

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:56 PM

To all naysayers, I have found a V V workflow with no DI, full optical.

With the special film I have, it will be nothing short of spectacular. C B would be proud.
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 10:41 PM

I have recently become very interested in VistaVision and wanted to follow up on your posts to see how it has been working for you.

Have you found it to be worth the effort? I would love to learn about your workflow..

I have a lot of questions..
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#36 John Sprung

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 06:01 PM

The only update I have is that Paramount shut down their camera department late last year. Don't know where the VV gear went, or whether they kept the projector in that upstairs room in the Fields Bldg.





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#37 Jesse Lee Cairnie

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 05:24 PM

Thanks John for that update, though most unfortunate...

I do have an update.. maybe its already known... But I sent an email to Fotokem.. their large format technical director Vince Roth was wonderful enough to get back to me.. here is what he sent me...

"We are currently only able to do 6K scans of Vistavison at this time, which could go into a DI process, and we could film out to 65mm neg if required. We can also make 70mm optical prints. We are also able to telecine the material which we would be able to do in one of our telecine bays. As a side note the aspect ratio of the vistavision frame is 1.5:1 while the 70mm 5 perf frame is 2.2:1, so you would either be losing image on top and bottom, or would have a window boxed image in the 70mm frame."

So it looks like Fotokem is the place for vistavision post... also Clairmont Cameras have put their Vistavision cameras out to pasture of the sales department..

I'll report as I learn more.
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#38 Glen Alexander

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 05:49 PM

Thanks John for that update, though most unfortunate...

I do have an update.. maybe its already known... But I sent an email to Fotokem.. their large format technical director Vince Roth was wonderful enough to get back to me.. here is what he sent me...

"We are currently only able to do 6K scans of Vistavison at this time, which could go into a DI process, and we could film out to 65mm neg if required. We can also make 70mm optical prints. We are also able to telecine the material which we would be able to do in one of our telecine bays. As a side note the aspect ratio of the vistavision frame is 1.5:1 while the 70mm 5 perf frame is 2.2:1, so you would either be losing image on top and bottom, or would have a window boxed image in the 70mm frame."

So it looks like Fotokem is the place for vistavision post... also Clairmont Cameras have put their Vistavision cameras out to pasture of the sales department..

I'll report as I learn more.


Of course I know Vince. Call the sales dept and ask for Rik, get a quote for DI scanning. The best they could do is $0.50 per frame. Which would have cost about $25,000.

This is not for the feint of heart.

You need to be a Matlab, Labview, and C/C++ guru.
I built my own hardware and wrote software to scan it myself at 78 lp/mm for about $1400USD.

here's what you need
Nikon scanner
Motor with an encoder
2 or 4 gang 35mm film gang
Labview
Nikon SDK
MS compiler

Write code that interfaces to scanner, calibrates, scans image. It will take about 3 weeks at 24x7 to scan 50,000 frames of VV with quality control.

For processing full 16-bit uncompressed images, color correction, image stabilization, etc.

Matlab

When the cash flow is more positive, I intend to buy two or three VV cameras and I'll modify them for a Leica mount for my next film, a feature.
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#39 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 08:54 PM

You posted:

To all naysayers, I have found a V V workflow with no DI, full optical.


And now you post:

I built my own hardware and wrote software to scan it myself at 78 lp/mm for about $1400USD.

Write code that interfaces to scanner, calibrates, scans image. It will take about 3 weeks at 24x7 to scan 50,000 frames of VV with quality control.


So what happened? Have you become one of the naysayers? Why the change of heart regarding digital post?
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#40 Paul Bruening

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 10:08 PM

Of course I know Vince. Call the sales dept and ask for Rik, get a quote for DI scanning. The best they could do is $0.50 per frame. Which would have cost about $25,000.

This is not for the feint of heart.

You need to be a Matlab, Labview, and C/C++ guru.
I built my own hardware and wrote software to scan it myself at 78 lp/mm for about $1400USD.

here's what you need
Nikon scanner
Motor with an encoder
2 or 4 gang 35mm film gang
Labview
Nikon SDK
MS compiler

Write code that interfaces to scanner, calibrates, scans image. It will take about 3 weeks at 24x7 to scan 50,000 frames of VV with quality control.

For processing full 16-bit uncompressed images, color correction, image stabilization, etc.

Matlab

When the cash flow is more positive, I intend to buy two or three VV cameras and I'll modify them for a Leica mount for my next film, a feature.


Have you built this unit? What is your VV resolution Height and Width? What is your scan time per frame? DIYers are always interested to hear about other's achievements.
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