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#1 ricardo de gracia

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 10:54 AM

please, help me to choose between this two cameras

I am interested in buying one of them

social documentary proposes

* low light situations
* hard contrast lighting exterior-interior
* quickness and versatility & workflow...
* signal quality: DVCPro50HD versus XDCamHD

THANKS IN ADVANCE
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#2 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 11:31 AM

You can see a comparison of the EX1 to the HVX200 here:
http://www.pairofhan...X Shootout.html

The EX1 has 1/2" sensors that are 1920 x 1080 pixels, while the HVX has 1/3" sensors that are 960 x 540 pixels. I doubt that the HVX201 updated the sensor but I could be wrong. Was there even an EX2 yet, let alone an EX3?

You're not supposed to cross-post the same question to multiple forums here on this site...
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#3 Michael Belanger

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 01:53 PM

please, help me to choose between this two cameras

I am interested in buying one of them

social documentary proposes

* low light situations
* hard contrast lighting exterior-interior
* quickness and versatility & workflow...
* signal quality: DVCPro50HD versus XDCamHD

THANKS IN ADVANCE


I've shot with both the HVX-200 and the Sony EX-1. My preference is the EX series. Better lens, manual controls of focus, iris, and zoom. The XDCAM codec in the EX1 seems to hold up better than the DVC Pro HD in the 200 even though it uses 1/3rd the data rate. I think it's because the EX1 has true 1920x1080 resolution to work with while the 200 pixel shifts.

As for the new cameras in the lines, the 201 does use 1/3" sensors. Not sure if they've increased the resolution or not, but the 1/2" chips in the EX are superior as far as bokeh, etc.

The EX3 is the same sensor block as the EX1, with a removable lens, timecode inputs, a few more connections, and a slightly larger body. It also has a viewfinder eyepiece over the LCD screen. For my money the EX1 is the better deal once you add a shoulder rest, viewfinder adaptor, etc. Plus it breaks down smaller for Steadi-cam work, etc.

(David - don't know what happended to the EX2. It's apparently still stuck on someone's design desk over at Sony)
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#4 Michael Belanger

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 08:20 PM

A quick question for David or anyone else who cares to wade in. I've often wondered if we should be posting EX1 related items in the Sony or Sony (Prosumer) boards.

I've tended to think the prosumer section even though the camera is badged as a CineAlta, mainly out of defference to the high-end camera users here, but many of the menu settings, etc are very similar to the Sony F series cameras.

Any thoughts?
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#5 Christopher Santucci

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 08:39 PM

The EX series is almost double the price of the HVX200. I'm not sure why these are even being compared.

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#6 Michael Belanger

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 08:58 PM

The EX series is almost double the price of the HVX200. I'm not sure why these are even being compared.

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Not quite. $6500 vs $5200 based on B&H list prices. Both come with a single memory card of vaguely similar capacities
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#7 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 09:56 AM

MY vote is for the EX, but that's just because it fits the work envoirment i'm encountering now (longer run time eng stuff that still needs HD). And IIRC, it meets the HD broadcast specs for most stations (where as the HVX can only be a certain % of footage on discovery channel).
Don't get my wrong, I like the HVX and all, but the EX1 is a newer, more robust camera, and from the folks which bring us the higher end stuff .
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#8 David Brickley

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 03:19 PM

* signal quality: DVCPro50HD versus XDCamHD


This may be just a typo, but I'm almost certain the PMW EX3 is an XDCam EX camera, not an XDCam HD camera, hence the EX3 designation. Sorry to nitpick.

I've done some tests with the EX1, and it is a fantastic camera. Based on what I've seen written on the EX3 and my experience with the EX1, you would be getting a fine camera going with the Sony.

In response to David: there is an EX3, however Sony appears to have skipped the EX2 for reasons that I do not understand.

In response to Michael (and in general): I too have wondered where the PMW EX cameras fall in Sony / Sony (Prosumer) boards. I've always searched for information on the PMW EX cameras in prosumer first, then followed up on the Sony board looking for "stray posts." Is there someone who could establish a standard for the board?
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#9 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 04:57 PM

From what I know, the EXs are recording a similar coded, as an HD signal, as the XDCam HDs, though not to the XDCam disks FWIW
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#10 John Atala

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 09:23 AM

How's the motion blur on the EX cameras? One thing the HVX 200 got right was the film like movement on panning and moving subjects.
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Posted 03 February 2009 - 08:14 PM

You can see a comparison of the EX1 to the HVX200 here:
http://www.pairofhan...X Shootout.html

The EX1 has 1/2" sensors that are 1920 x 1080 pixels, while the HVX has 1/3" sensors that are 960 x 540 pixels. I doubt that the HVX201 updated the sensor but I could be wrong. Was there even an EX2 yet, let alone an EX3?

You're not supposed to cross-post the same question to multiple forums here on this site...


Is that test really accurate?
It seem at the test frame, the panasonic has the wrong settings for the picture
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#12 DS Williams

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 02:56 PM

Show me a prosumer camera than produces more filmic images than the HVX and i'll buy you a drink.

The EX is sharp as hell, but does not hold a candle to HVXs filmic quality. You'd have to see them side by side, and use both, as I have.

The EX seems to scream "Use me for reality TV and interviews!" whereas the HVX is better for narrative work.
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Posted 04 February 2009 - 03:00 PM

And the EX used a LONG GOP codec, which is a pain in the ass to edit/transcode, ect. You'll see a greater loss of quality from generation to generation. It's highly highly compressed. And since the codec thrives off redundant information, if you pan the camera too quickly or photograph things like fluttering leaves or waves, you'll see artifacts, as the codec cannot handle all of the random information. I Frame codecs are generally superior. But the EX1 is, as ive said, veryy sharp.
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#14 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 03:12 PM

Having done a doco on the EX1 I can say I've never seen the codec fail or fall apart regardless of how complicated the scene has become. That's just me, of course. I personally find the HVX problematic as it bakes in it's look, whereas the EX1 renders me a more neutral image which can be corrected in post to taste. Again, that's just me.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:55 AM

hi im new here. i was wondering if someone could explain me something i read in other forum ( i think) . it said that the sone xdcam ex1 have almost 14 sec delay when you tryied to play a clip in the cam and another 14 sec to put it con the rec mode. is it tru?? thank anyone who can help me.
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#16 DS Williams

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 04:05 PM

Any camera can 'bake in' a look if you want it to. I shoot nuetral WB and CineD for a more linear flat gamma, for more midtone range

I believe the EX series would suit your low light needs seeing that their chips are larger. But you get jello vision (rolling shutter) and a video look built in. Perhaps more suited for as documentary, though.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 04:07 PM

the EX1 is a newer, more robust camera, and from the folks which bring us the higher end stuff .

What does that even mean?
Do you not consider the Varicam high end then?
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 11:09 PM

Show me a prosumer camera than produces more filmic images than the HVX and i'll buy you a drink.

The EX is sharp as hell, but does not hold a candle to HVXs filmic quality. You'd have to see them side by side, and use both, as I have.

The EX seems to scream "Use me for reality TV and interviews!" whereas the HVX is better for narrative work.


That seems like a pretty broad statement. Since you've used both cameras, you know that the Sony will allow you to adjust gamma, black stretch, color matrix, detail and so forth to create just the kind of image you want. Sony's preset numbers always have been biased toward a punchy "video" look, but that doesn't mean that that's the only look the camera is capable of delivering.

I like the HVX quite a bit (and I generally prefer Panasonic's "look"), but I've been pleasantly surprised by the quality of the images you can get out of the Sony AFTER you take the time to set up the camera properly.
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#19 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 11:23 PM

Wow, I kinda forgot about this thread,
But yes, I do consider the varicam high-end, but I was referring moreso to Sony's HDCam series - for the record.
The more I am working with the Sony the more I like it over the HXV, again just me. I do need to work on the picture profiles more... though what I'd love to do would be take it to a proper color-correction suite and see what I can do with just my "goto" picture profile on both the HVX and the EX.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 04:26 AM

One of the blokes at Abelcine banged one together. Never tried them, I have an EX3 and matrix settings don't transfer well.

The EX series is so flexible for it's price range. Complaining about not liking the default settings is just bizarre.

HVX Matches for EX1

PP1: Cine V
Matrix –
- Select: High Sat
- Level 0
- Phase +2
- R-G -11
- R-B -23
- G-R +38
- G-B 0
- B-R +17
- B-G -23
Detail –
- Level –30 (subjective)
- Frequency 15

Gamma –
- Level -1
- Select: Cine 1

Black – -2
Black Gamma - -99

PP2: Cine D
Matrix –
- Select: High Sat
- Level 0
- Phase +6
- R-G +22
- R-B -36
- G-R +19
- G-B 0
- B-R +14
- B-G -16
Detail –
- Level –30 (subjective)
- Frequency 15

Gamma –
- Level -1
- Select: Cine 1

Black – -2
Black Gamma - -96

PP3: HD NORM
Matrix –
- Select: Standard
- Level -5
- Phase +1
- R-G +8
- R-B -30
- G-R +15
- G-B -24
- B-R 0
- B-G +10
Detail –
- Level –30 (subjective)
- Frequency 15

Gamma –
- Level +11
- Select: STD4

Black – -1
Black Gamma - -52

PP4: FLUO
Matrix –
- Select: FL Light
- Level -8
- Phase -5
- R-G -64
- R-B -24
- G-R +64
- G-B -18
- B-R +24
- B-G -23
Detail –
- Level –30 (subjective)
- Frequency 15

Gamma –
- Level +11
- Select: STD4

Black – -1
Black Gamma - -52
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