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#1 Giovanni Speranza

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:36 PM

Hi,
why all red footage i see in the web has a brownish, low saturation, almost monochromatic tint?
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#2 Jim Exton

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:05 PM

Hi,
why all red footage i see in the web has a brownish, low saturation, almost monochromatic tint?


Can you provide links to specific examples?

You might be looking at footage that is not color corrected. Or worse, color corrected by someone that isn't too good at it.
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#3 Keith Walters

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:15 PM

Hi,
why all red footage i see in the web has a brownish, low saturation, almost monochromatic tint?


Are you sure there is not some problem with your monitor? Do you get the same results with other screens?

There are thousands of RED stills and clips available on the web, I have never seen a single one that looks like that.

A full resolution frame grab from the RED should look like a picture from a 12 megapixel still camera, and as far as I have seen, that is what they do look like.
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#4 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:24 PM

Well, my RED frames from "Manure" are brownish and desaturated -- but that's because that's how we designed the movie to look.

The RAW look is basically somewhat flat at first when you convert it to RGB to give you more flexibility in color-correction. You can always add more contrast, which in turn, adds more saturation. With normal contrast and black levels set after the conversion, you'll find the saturation to be normal. It would take a little more post work to make it super snappy and hyper-saturated though.

Also, you have to make sure you aren't looking at a low-con LOG image that hasn't gone through a LUT to gamma-correct it for monitor viewing.
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#5 Keith Walters

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:03 AM

Well, my RED frames from "Manure" are brownish and desaturated -- but that's because that's how we designed the movie to look.

The RAW look is basically somewhat flat at first when you convert it to RGB to give you more flexibility in color-correction. You can always add more contrast, which in turn, adds more saturation. With normal contrast and black levels set after the conversion, you'll find the saturation to be normal. It would take a little more post work to make it super snappy and hyper-saturated though.

Also, you have to make sure you aren't looking at a low-con LOG image that hasn't gone through a LUT to gamma-correct it for monitor viewing.

He did say: "why all red footage i see in the web..."
I doubt that much of what is out there would be anything but end result footage. Unless it was strictly for explanatory purposes, but in that case I am sure that the poster would inclined to point that out.
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#6 Peter Moretti

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 11:24 AM

Maybe so, but there is an "issue" with Red footage not looking like one would expect b/c of the philosphy to leave much of the image processing for outside of the camera. Looking at completely unprocessed Red footage can be a bit of a shock if not viewed under the proper circumstances and with certain expectations in mind.
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#7 Giovanni Speranza

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:18 PM

Maybe so, but there is an "issue" with Red footage not looking like one would expect b/c of the philosphy to leave much of the image processing for outside of the camera. Looking at completely unprocessed Red footage can be a bit of a shock if not viewed under the proper circumstances and with certain expectations in mind.



Ok, so i'm not blind.
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#8 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:46 PM

Ok, so i'm not blind.


There is some nice RED shots here that Jayson shot:
http://www.cinematog...n...t=0&start=0
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#9 Gary McClurg

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:03 PM

There is some nice RED shots here that Jayson shot:
http://www.cinematog...n...t=0&start=0



Thanks David... some nice shots in there...

Plus it kinda reminds me of an old college short I co-directed about a down on his luck pro... but instead of a whole team... it was this outcast boy who wanted to be a pitcher...

I think I lost my copy in my move... need to get a new one from my friend...

Edited by Gary McClurg, 20 July 2008 - 03:04 PM.

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#10 Chris Kenny

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 01:39 PM

Maybe so, but there is an "issue" with Red footage not looking like one would expect b/c of the philosphy to leave much of the image processing for outside of the camera. Looking at completely unprocessed Red footage can be a bit of a shock if not viewed under the proper circumstances and with certain expectations in mind.


Monitoring in REDSpace in build 16 mostly solves this problem, putting a nice looking image on the monitor. And you can toggle back and forth to raw with one button press, to see what's really going on.

What would be really nice if if the camera could feed out a clean image in REDSpace over HD-SDI/HDMI for client monitoring, while still feeding the EVF and on-camera LCD a raw image with overlays, but I'm not sure if the camera has enough onboard processing power to run two separate image processing pipelines at once for monitoring.
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#11 Giovanni Speranza

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 01:46 PM

There is some nice RED shots here that Jayson shot:
http://www.cinematog...n...t=0&start=0



Yes and it'a all brownish.
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#12 Matthew Rogers

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 07:29 PM

Yes and it'a all brownish.


Then, I'd say that it's your monitor. It looks great on my monitor.

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#13 Gary McClurg

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 08:04 PM

Yes and it'a all brownish.


The only grab I don't care for is the batter at the plate... it could just be the cc... but that's the only one that bugs me... the close up... which appears to be at night...

Edited by Gary McClurg, 21 July 2008 - 08:05 PM.

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#14 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:29 AM

Yes and it'a all brownish.


Well, I guess we have nothing to discuss then because it's clearly not all brownish to me. So I have no clue as to what you are talking about.
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#15 Giovanni Speranza

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 07:07 PM

My monitor works. But if you watch those grabs with attention you will admit that almost all have a brownish tint.
It's not my monitor, it's not my eyes, it's not anything else thatn the RED.
Maybe with some CC the brownish will go away.
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#16 Daniel Sheehy

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:32 PM

No brown there... maybe slightly low contrast & saturation.. but that's to be expected from those grabs.
But definitely not brown.
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#17 Jamie Lewis

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 08:55 AM

There's no brown tint on my monitor, well if you don't count the brown dirt.
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#18 John Sprung

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 05:52 PM

I don't see it as particularly brown. Certainly there's plenty of room to take it any direction you want in color timing.




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#19 Chris Keth

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 05:57 PM

Giovanni, I suggest you give your monitor a proper calibration. There are lots of brown things in those shots, but no brownish tint. My monitor is calibrated regularly.
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