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#1 Lea Nakonechny

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 01:33 PM

Hello,

Just wondering if anyone out there has tried substituting an 85 amber filter for the orange or yellow filters commonly used with black and white film?

I'd really appreciate any tips on results.

Thanks!
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#2 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 02:02 PM

Hello,

Just wondering if anyone out there has tried substituting an 85 amber filter for the orange or yellow filters commonly used with black and white film?

I'd really appreciate any tips on results.

Thanks!


The question is vague. What film stock are you planning to use the filters with? To what purpose? Yellow filters are used in B/W photography to darken skies, but 85 correction filters are usually just used on color stocks to change the balance of the light reaching the film from 5500K daylight to 3400K tungsten so using tungsten balanced film shot in daylight won't look bluish. I have never heard anyone using it for b/w.

Edited by Saul Rodgar, 28 July 2008 - 02:03 PM.

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#3 Lea Nakonechny

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 02:47 PM

I'm shooting tomorrow morning with 5222 in a remote location and Panavision can't get the 15 yellow filter to me in time. I was just wondering if amber would work instead, as it is in the same ballpark on the spectrum.
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#4 Chris Keth

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 06:39 PM

I'm shooting tomorrow morning with 5222 in a remote location and Panavision can't get the 15 yellow filter to me in time. I was just wondering if amber would work instead, as it is in the same ballpark on the spectrum.


It'll work fine in lieu of a deep yellow or an orange. It will darken skies and foliage and will lighten skintones somewhat.
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#5 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:21 PM

Yeah, it should work for that purpose, like Chris said, it should give you some nice contrast.

Edited by Saul Rodgar, 28 July 2008 - 08:23 PM.

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#6 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:41 PM

Forgot to say, for B/W skin tones, my favorite is the green filter #58. It adds beautiful contrast, dark lips, real nice dimension to facial structures. But it is not normally carried in a filter kit, unfortunatley.
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#7 Chris Keth

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 12:40 AM

Forgot to say, for B/W skin tones, my favorite is the green filter #58. It adds beautiful contrast, dark lips, real nice dimension to facial structures. But it is not normally carried in a filter kit, unfortunatley.


Green is nice for ski contrast. You have to have a really good makeup artist if you're shooting any women, though. It makes mountains out of molehills, blemish wise.
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#8 Sam Wells

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 02:33 PM

An 85 will be quite weak compared to # 15 yellow IMO.

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