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#1 Nick Norton

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 02:46 PM

Awaiting the arrival of my new Eclair ACL, i am trying to figure out all of the significant accessories i need to shoot film properly.

What i have:
(LINK to my camera: http://cgi.ebay.com/...I...:IT&ih=012)

Eclair ACL II
Angie 10-150 lens
200ft. Mag
400ft. Mag
Power Cord

What i THINK i need:

Gaffer Tape (Not sure what kind/size/etc.)
Changing Bag (To load film)
Battery Pack/Belt
Film
Filters (Can't afford mattebox)

I'm not sure if i am missing anything, and i am also unaware of the best brands/deals of the items i need.

Any help would be greatly appreciated-

Nicholas
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#2 Keneu Luca

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 03:08 PM

Instead of a changing bag, go with a tent. The bag will droop down and may cause complications. A tent is suspended above your hands and materials, allowing room without interference.

Other items:

-orange sticks - to clean your film gate
-several cans of compressed air
-alcohol - to clean various items

-light meter - yes your camera has built-in, but you may not always want that exposure, also the built-in meter may fail, its good to learn how to use a meter

-black AND white gaffers tape - white to seal your mags against light leaks
-black sharpie pens

-no pics of the camera case, consider a pelican case with padded dividers -avoid pick n pluck foam

-fluid head on your tripod

-sewing machine oil to lubricate anything that seems unusually stiff (i say this reluctantly, dont service anything critical, Im talking about simple things, always have a professional do the real service work)

-lens cleaning tissue/paper
-lens cleaning solution

-macbeth color chart - this helps your colorist determine colors properly during video transfer

Last - have a digital camera handy or video camera to document your camera when it arrives as you open it to protect yourself in case anything arrives damaged, missing, inaccurately described, etc. Get closeups of everything including serial numbers. I would literally video tape everything as you open it.
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#3 David Rakoczy

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 03:13 PM

For just your Camera:

Changing Tent
Spare Cans & Bags (from your chosen Lab)
Camera Reports (from your chosen Lab)
Color Chart / Gray Scale Chart (from your chosen Lab)
1" Black Camera Tape
1" White Camera Tape
1" Red Camera Tape
Can of Compressed Air
Lens Tissue
Lens Cleaner and Wipe
Black Sharpies
White Grease Pencils
Chamois' for your Eyecup



I recommend FilmTools.com for the above Items.

You will also need an accurate Light Meter (I like Minoltas)


Gaffer Tape is more for your Grip/ Lighting needs...

Obviously you'll need a Fluid Head, Standard Sticks, Baby Sticks, Spreader and Hi Hat.

Get the book Film Lighting by Malkiewisz.

..and a LOT MORE MONEY to pay for all the socialistic programs Obama wants to indulge his elitist ideology in....

Enjoy!

Edited by David Rakoczy, 06 August 2008 - 03:18 PM.

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#4 David Rakoczy

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 03:20 PM

sorry Nick.. the Obama quip was for Keneu.
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#5 Keneu Luca

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 03:34 PM

sorry Nick.. the Obama quip was for Keneu.



You're hijacking the kids thread. Theres a time and a place for everything. Im not going to talk politics here. Yes I have a pic of him on my avatar - and thats it. If you wish to respond to what I just wrote, send me a pm, to keep this thread on track.

Nick, I meant to ask you, what prior film experience do you have? If you've never shot 16mm film before, there are a few tests you may want to do when the camera arrives.
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#6 David Rakoczy

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 03:40 PM

[quote name='Keneu Luca' date='Aug 6 2008, 03:34 PM' post='245545']
You're hijacking the kids thread. Theres a time and a place for everything. Im not going to talk politics here. Yes I have a pic of him on my avatar - and thats it. If you wish to respond to what I just wrote, send me a pm, to keep this thread on track.

Kid???? He might be 70 years old.. that is rather presumptuous. You put up a pic... I put up a sentence... Grow Up!
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#7 Nick Norton

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 06:02 PM

Nick, I meant to ask you, what prior film experience do you have? If you've never shot 16mm film before, there are a few tests you may want to do when the camera arrives.


I have shot numerous skate videos on a canon xl1s, and have shot perhaps 8-10 rolls of super 8 footage with a canon 1014 xl-s and other less expensive cameras.

Could you recomend some of the tests i should perform when i recieve the camera?



Kid???? He might be 70 years old.. that is rather presumptuous. You put up a pic... I put up a sentence... Grow Up!


I'm actually 19... not quite 70. But guys settle down. Humurous sentance from David, but this is a cinematography forum and that is what i believe we are supposed to be talking about. However, me being a hypocrite: good old America... dividing our common people for a two party system when we should be working together to solve our problems.


Thanks for the responses guys-

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#8 Keneu Luca

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 06:43 PM

There are a few tests you can do.

Bring your camera to a repair shop and they will test your lenses to see if they need collimation. Get some cheap old 16mm film and run it through the camera at all speeds to determine that the motor functions properly. And do a crystal test by filming someone lip sync lyrics to a song playing on a cd.

If its just 100 or so feet of film, a lab and posthouse will give you a good deal on processing since its test footage.

Have a reliable technician evaluate your entire camera package.


The Eclair section of the 16mm forums here have lots to offer you, too.
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#9 Nick Norton

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 06:47 PM

Also, what size changing bag will i need for a 200 or 400 foot ACL mag?

Would 27x30 be enough? 26x40?


Thanks-

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 06:50 PM

Thanks Keneu. Could you recomend some "cheap old" 16mm stock?

-Nicholas
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Posted 06 August 2008 - 07:11 PM

Thanks Keneu. Could you recomend some "cheap old" 16mm stock?

-Nicholas


People are always putting up old stock on ebay. Like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

For a good changing tent, Id go with the Harrison. Again, ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

But if you don't want to take a risk buying a used tent, B&H sells them.

This website (cinematography.com) and ebay are excellent resources. Get to know them. For further questions, search either site.

Good luck with your camera. I hope it arrives in good condition.
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#12 Nick Norton

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 07:15 PM

I can't thank you enough Keneu!

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 07:20 PM

Thanks Keneu. Could you recomend some "cheap old" 16mm stock?

-Nicholas


Hi Nicholas,
If you have a project (something to film), I suggest you try and get a DP's attention. Any written advice about film stock, optics and so on is delusion if it doesn't enhance the fact that without technical knowledge and "savoir-faire" you're heading straight into the wall.
The ACL is a great little camera, but your experience with video will be lost on it.
Regards,
Marc.
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#14 Keneu Luca

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 08:08 PM

Hi Nicholas,
If you have a project (something to film), I suggest you try and get a DP's attention. Any written advice about film stock, optics and so on is delusion if it doesn't enhance the fact that without technical knowledge and "savoir-faire" you're heading straight into the wall.
The ACL is a great little camera, but your experience with video will be lost on it.
Regards,
Marc.



Finding a DP who is willing to help someone new to filmmaking would be great.

But learning how to operate your camera, handle the film, and get proper exposure is not all that difficult. Cinematography is indeed a complex art and science. But the basics are well within reach. I was never tutored by a real DP. Come to think of it, the other filmmaker friends of mine never were either.

Marc is talking about shooting an actual project. And yes, if you were gonna try to run before you even learned to crawl, youre gonna be in trouble. That's why you gotta take baby steps first. Mess around. Dont worry about actors or dialogue until youre completely comfortable with operating your camera, handling the film, and understanding exposures.

Nick, you're in Orlando, right? I may be wrong, but I think Full Sail will allow you to help crew with their student films, even though you are not a student. I dont think they use the ACL, but it might be worth looking into. If you showed up and made some friends with students, telling them you now have your own camera, who knows where that will lead.
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:32 PM

Marc is talking about shooting an actual project. And yes, if you were gonna try to run before you even learned to crawl, youre gonna be in trouble. That's why you gotta take baby steps first. Mess around. Dont worry about actors or dialogue until youre completely comfortable with operating your camera, handling the film, and understanding exposures.

Nick, you're in Orlando, right? I may be wrong, but I think Full Sail will allow you to help crew with their student films, even though you are not a student. I dont think they use the ACL, but it might be worth looking into. If you showed up and made some friends with students, telling them you now have your own camera, who knows where that will lead.


Thanks again Keneu for all the help. I have no desire to jump right into a film production. I'm simply obsessed with cinematography/light/celluloid and am finally having the opportunity to get my hands on the equipment and start shooting. I plan on doing test after test, and helping friends or whoever has an idea for a flick. Full Sail sounds like a great idea... would i be asking too much if i offered to shoot any project they had as long as they pay for the stock/processing/transfer?

-Nicholas
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 04:46 PM

-alcohol - to clean various items

Please let me know what exactly is the chemical composition of the alcohol used for cleaning various camera parts.

Sorry for asking the out of subject question.

With best regards,
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#17 Keneu Luca

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 08:46 PM

-alcohol - to clean various items

Please let me know what exactly is the chemical composition of the alcohol used for cleaning various camera parts.

Sorry for asking the out of subject question.

With best regards,


The question isnt out of subject at all.

Isopropyl alcohol is good for cleaning exterior parts if you get dirt on your camera, or inside a mag. But of course, read the camera manual to see if certain types of alcohol should be used, or if alcohol, regardless of type, should be avoided on certain parts.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 01:28 AM

For just your Camera:

Changing Tent
Spare Cans & Bags (from your chosen Lab)
Camera Reports (from your chosen Lab)
Color Chart / Gray Scale Chart (from your chosen Lab)
1" Black Camera Tape
1" White Camera Tape
1" Red Camera Tape
Can of Compressed Air
Lens Tissue
Lens Cleaner and Wipe
Black Sharpies
White Grease Pencils
Chamois' for your Eyecup



I recommend FilmTools.com for the above Items.

You will also need an accurate Light Meter (I like Minoltas)


Gaffer Tape is more for your Grip/ Lighting needs...

Obviously you'll need a Fluid Head, Standard Sticks, Baby Sticks, Spreader and Hi Hat.

Get the book Film Lighting by Malkiewisz.

..and a LOT MORE MONEY to pay for all the socialistic programs Obama wants to indulge his elitist ideology in....

Enjoy!

What's the white grease pencil for?
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#19 David Auner aac

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 01:51 AM

What's the white grease pencil for?


Writings focus marks on lens barrels, markings mags temporarily, writing on any other shiny black surface...

Cheers, Dave
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#20 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 02:26 AM

Good to know. What's the best for marking the FF, I'm guessing black grease pencil?
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