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#1 Matias Nicolas

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 09:47 AM

Hi, Im shooting a feature film with this camera in 2 month aprx... the camera is arriving in 2 week to the production company... only the body is arriving, ... does anybody knows the perfetc configuration for the camera? follow focus, mattexox.. rods? bridge plate... on board monitor?
_you can use an inalambric video asist? and follow focus ?
thanks !!
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#2 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 11:20 PM

One thing that seems to get overlooked is a measuring tape hook...since (at least with the REDs I've worked with) there's no definitive focal plane mark on the body of the camera.
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Posted 14 August 2008 - 08:30 PM

as long as you have the production base it will run all standard 19mm accessories, as far as the video assist goes it has 2x sdi outs and a 720p out. The connections are real dodgy as they are some kind of mini mount and you have to use a very flimsy mini to bnc cable to get you image, but there is a good breakout box that you can get from Element Technica
You may want to order at least the LCD, and preferable the EVF as well, as all the menues are a little annoying to get through with just the rear lcd display alone. Plus the EVF seems to be really well made, someone told me they heard it was an accuscene evf in a red housing.

There are a lot of places making fairly well priced aftermarket accessories for the red now so if you google around for a bit you should find a whole bunch of goodies.

As Jonathan said, the tape hook is an additional accessory and worth its weight in gold for your focus puller.
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#4 Chris Keth

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 06:56 PM

Nathan hit it on the head. That breakout box is essential, in my opinion. It will prevent lots of monitor downtime due to poor design.

Add the viewfinder and LCD and arri support equipment and you have a pretty decent camera.
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Posted 16 August 2008 - 11:54 PM

The connections are real dodgy as they are some kind of mini mount...


"Lemo"

I don't mind the lemo connections, so long as you have the bars around the body of the camera to velcro/tape to for strain relief, they're fine. It is kinda tough at first, to figure out which connector goes with what at first glance, just label stuff.
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#6 Chris Keth

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 12:26 AM

I don't think lemos are the right choice for monitor and sound connections that are plugged in and out repeatedly all day long. If I was assembling a package, I would definitely get the breakout box.
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Posted 17 August 2008 - 01:33 AM

I don't think lemos are the right choice for monitor and sound connections that are plugged in and out repeatedly all day long. If I was assembling a package, I would definitely get the breakout box.


Right, I was actually referring to just the viewfinder & monitor connections. The breakout box is a definite must.
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Posted 19 August 2008 - 07:24 PM

ah the monitor and vf, yeah i wasnt saying there was any problem with them, lemo and fischer connections are great, i was talking about the minature vision out cables.
The mini xlr audio connections arent so bad, but the vision is aweful.

I might also sugest a good viewfinder bracket, the arm that RED sells with it is good but not sturdy enough for something your putting pressure on all day. Plus as soon as it sags a little bit your horizon is out and you feel like your operating drunk.
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#9 Matias Nicolas

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 10:15 AM

OK , cool, but the thing is that they won't buy accesories, the production will rent them here , in my country ... So , can I use arri accesories ? and, the most important thing... its posible to use a WRC-1 ? or a preston? or another wireless follow focus? cause I wil be shooting very long and difficult long take, and Im sure I will need wireless... thanks !!
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 09:37 AM

OK , cool, but the thing is that they won't buy accesories, the production will rent them here , in my country ... So , can I use arri accesories ? and, the most important thing... its posible to use a WRC-1 ? or a preston? or another wireless follow focus? cause I wil be shooting very long and difficult long take, and Im sure I will need wireless... thanks !!


I'm not sure what the production company counts as accessories, but you're going to need the various plates to mount the bars onto the camera and the top rails with at least the LCD mounting bracket. Once you've got 19mm bars you can mount the standard film kit. You'll also need quite a few batteries (6 RED batteries seems to be recommended + a couple of chargers), because the RED is power hungry. On the job I worked on they used the large 12V lead acid battery blocks and it went through about 3 or 4 in a day. BTW The RED just dies without warning using these.

The RED body on its own doesn't work, it's only part of the set up - it's rather like buying a 35mm film camera body, but then not buying the risers and mags (or in this case the digital equivalent - if you're using CF cards, you'll need several of them). The breakout box is essential.
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 10:10 PM

ok... tomorow im going with the dop, operator , to "meet" , test and see what is the red camera ! ... thanks for the info ..!
... nobody answered me, but I think there is no possibility to use a wireless,... unless you use it with an independent battery ...: a guy running 3 or 6 feet away from the cameraman puling the cable that powers the motors and the receptor ...
So well ... see ya !
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#12 Jamie Metzger

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 10:48 PM

ok... tomorow im going with the dop, operator , to "meet" , test and see what is the red camera ! ... thanks for the info ..!
... nobody answered me, but I think there is no possibility to use a wireless,... unless you use it with an independent battery ...: a guy running 3 or 6 feet away from the cameraman puling the cable that powers the motors and the receptor ...
So well ... see ya !


There is an auxillary lemo port on the camera that supplies 12v. Don't know if that would help you.

As far as configuring the camera; I tell people all the time; it's like a ne camera every shoot. Because of the software and hardware configurations; it's always on the move.

If you will be shooting in a country that will make it difficult to get spare parts...etc I reccomend getting atleast 4 lemo monitor connectors; they work for both the evf and lcd. I don't know how long your shoot is, but you should definitely stock up on accessories.

Recently I used the red with 15mm studio to mini adapter rods. Worked out fine with a 4x4 mattebox, plus we had the options to use 19mm if we needed bigger aks.
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#13 David Regan

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 11:01 PM

Yes definitely multiple monitor cables as Jamie recommended. The RED shoot I'm currently on has gone through several of said cables.

Be aware the 12v power as mentioned is 4 pin lemo. So if you want to use say a Microforce zoom control or some such accessory that typically uses the 3pin fisher, get an adaptor.

And also if you don't get an HD compatible monitor and are running a BNC out of the SDI breakout box (again highly recommended) get a downconverter or something similar for your monitor. In our case we run a BNC out of the SDI into a box then then sends out an HDMI signal to the monitor.

RED currently has a RAM solid state drive we have gotten in addition to our RED Drive from time to time, which has been great for car mount shots etc...because as you should be aware, it is not a good idea to use a RED Drive on shots with lots of bumping, as the drive will probably drop frames.

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#14 Matias Nicolas

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:24 AM

ok thanks !! ... Im going in a few minutes, I will ask for all this info... the breakout box, the extra batteries... etc .... thanks !!
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#15 John Sprung

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 12:43 PM

On the job I worked on they used the large 12V lead acid battery blocks and it went through about 3 or 4 in a day. BTW The RED just dies without warning using these.

How many amp hours were those batteries? A friend of mine used some big block batteries, and found that they could do a day on two of them, swapping at lunch time. But you have to live on the dolly for that to be practical. The other alternative is the "V" lock hot swap adapter and keeping careful track of how much time you have left. BTW, I just scored a couple really big inductors, so I have the stuff to build an XLR hot swap box.



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Posted 26 August 2008 - 01:34 PM

How many amp hours were those batteries? A friend of mine used some big block batteries, and found that they could do a day on two of them, swapping at lunch time. But you have to live on the dolly for that to be practical. The other alternative is the "V" lock hot swap adapter and keeping careful track of how much time you have left. BTW, I just scored a couple really big inductors, so I have the stuff to build an XLR hot swap box.



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I believe they were 12v 34 Ah lead acid. The 1st A.C. said they normally ran the RED for about 5 hours, but these particular ones didn't seem to last quite that long. The only other batteries supplied were IDX 12v 6.6 Ah (98 Wh) which I gather run the RED for an hour, unfortunately, these were being used to power an Astro and other accessories.

We ended up using the block batteries all the time, even for the Steadicam shots - the grip had a fun time carrying the battery. I was operating the Steadicam and its 4.5 Ah batteries just wouldn't have lasted.

The power downs weren't a big deal on this particular shoot, although the boot up time was over a minute - longer than I was expecting from a build 15.
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#17 John Sprung

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 01:58 PM

Yeah, 34 Ah should have given you 5 hours. Those batteries might have been getting old. There was a company at CineGear this summer that's going to make a 60 Ah battery. A pair of those should be plenty safe for a day's work.




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#18 Matias Nicolas

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 10:03 PM

hi !! sbdy knows places in usa , to buy used equipment? follow focus, matteboxes.. etc.. and that I can have acces via internet? with web page
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#19 Matias Nicolas

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 10:40 AM

hi !! sbdy knows places in usa , to buy used equipment? follow focus, matteboxes.. etc.. and that I can have acces via internet? with web page
?



... We tested the wrc, and you can supply power to the motors, cause, the wrc comes with a small cable you can conect to the red batteries... !
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#20 Gil Wertheim

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 02:34 PM

I would look on reduser.net a forum dedicated to the red camera
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