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#1 Sue May

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 09:56 PM

Dear All,

My name is Sue May. I was informed about your group from a DP in NYC named Michael LaVoie. Michael shoots narrative work thus he referred me to your site for some answers.

Please note that I am looking to hire a seasoned DP (seasoned means 3 or more DP credits on the IMDb for feature docs - more is better!) to write a statement/letter/document on the proper protocol for a camera operator and DP on a feature doc.

By "letter" I mean, you would answer some simple questions w/statements about the doc filmmaking process and a camera operator's role and DP's role in reference to that process. The letter MUST be finished by tomorrow evening (Sept 22nd) or early (EST) on the 23rd. YIKES!

I can pay a nominal fee (to be discussed) for said statement, which would basically be your expert opinion! The document would more than likely be 3 or less pages in length and give basic information in reference to a camera operator's/DP's responsibilities, obligations, common practices, etc.

Thanks!
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#2 Michele Peterson

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 02:49 PM

This sound suspiciously like you are seeking someone to write a school paper for you. It would be great if you share what this letter is to be used for.
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Posted 25 September 2008 - 02:59 PM

Huauhauahuh!!!!! School paper indeed!

Beware IMDB credits as a sign of a professional. Anyone can post credits on there.

Good luck this semester!
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#4 Sue May

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:11 PM

This sound suspiciously like you are seeking someone to write a school paper for you. It would be great if you share what this letter is to be used for.


Hi,

NO - I have my M.F.A. in Screenwriting from USC. I also have a B.F.A. in Sculpture w/Minors in Theatre and Art History.

I found 2 DPs to do what I needed - it was exactly what I asked for - basically expert opinions. The documents I needed were for court some crazy camera operator in NYC stole tapes from me because I fired her. When my attorney got the tapes back she had copied them and **(obscenity removed)**ed up the tapes.

She had told the court that I gave her the tapes and it was normal for a shooter to take tapes and copy and that - even though she only shot 14 days on my doc - that she was the DP and that that I gave her the tapes.

She also told the court many fallacies about the business and a DP in reference to responsibilities, common / accepted practices, pay rate, etc.

For example – she under oath stated that since she it was a common practice and that if she was ONLY CAMERA operating on any given day that, that fact made her the DP, which is bullshit.

I needed a real DP not involved or who had previously worked for me to write and expert opinion – and I found 2 MATTHEW MOSHER & GUSTAVO BRUM who both wrote great documents that helped me prove that the NUTCASE was lying / bull-shiting the court.

This girl was hired w/a deal memo as a 2nd camera – she has no website or pro equip.

Sue
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#5 Sue May

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:19 PM

Huauhauahuh!!!!! School paper indeed!

Beware IMDB credits as a sign of a professional. Anyone can post credits on there.

Good luck this semester!



Are all u PD's this suspicious?!
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#6 Sue May

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:21 PM

Huauhauahuh!!!!! School paper indeed!

Beware IMDB credits as a sign of a professional. Anyone can post credits on there.

Good luck this semester!



That was suppose to be "DP's" - I'm dyslexic!
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#7 Sue May

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:29 PM

This sound suspiciously like you are seeking someone to write a school paper for you. It would be great if you share what this letter is to be used for.



That was suppose to be "I needed a real DP not involved or who had NOT previously worked for me to write and expert opinion."

I really didn't want to write all my dirty laundry out there and felt that I would discuss the reason why per individual who answered... the guys I found were
great and really helped.

Sorry If you guys all thought it was for school.

I put my website w/that had my projects on the "About" page and I figured that was good enough...

Sorry to have bothered you all.

Sue
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#8 Michele Peterson

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:58 PM

It wasn't meant as an insult. But it wasn't clear what it was for and until you explained it, one is only left to assume. That is why I was asking to know what it was for. Thanks you for clearing it up. I hope it all works out for you.
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#9 Chad Stockfleth

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:02 PM

No offense intended! There's just been a lot of posts that seem like students trying to hide they're actual questions lately.

I sympathize with your situation. I have a friend in NYC who produced/directed a documentary, then had it stolen by one of the other producers who took it as their own and even redubbed himself as if he were asking the questions in the intvws. Lengthy legal battle going.

Good luck to you!
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#10 Richard Boddington

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:08 PM

Beware IMDB credits as a sign of a professional. Anyone can post credits on there.


Well...not really, proving your credits to IMDB can be quite difficult. You must provide verified links that your project is in the "public interest."

On the other hand, people can add their credits to an existing project, and they can sit there until the producer or IMDB takes them off. So in that particular case you would be correct Chad.

You could add your self in a below the line dept, adding your self as director? That would be a lot tougher :)

R,
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#11 Sue May

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 05:52 PM

It wasn't meant as an insult. But it wasn't clear what it was for and until you explained it, one is only left to assume. That is why I was asking to know what it was for. Thanks you for clearing it up. I hope it all works out for you.



Hi,

Yea, it's understandable - I was trying to put it out there w/out trying to reveal to much and then hope to find someone... or two - like I did.

No worries... I was in a RUSH cuz the original person who was gonna do it for me was hired last minute and was busy - so I was in a crunch!

Take care,

S.
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#12 Sue May

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 05:59 PM

No offense intended! There's just been a lot of posts that seem like students trying to hide they're actual questions lately.

I sympathize with your situation. I have a friend in NYC who produced/directed a documentary, then had it stolen by one of the other producers who took it as their own and even redubbed himself as if he were asking the questions in the intvws. Lengthy legal battle going.

Good luck to you!



Yea, no worries, it's all stressful and I was in a RUSH...

Sorry to hear what happened to you friend... the redubbed stuff is extreme.

I found another filmmaker (1 doc credit) who is also chair of the History Dept. at a university and a Harvard Fellow that was bamboozled by the SAME GIRL who messed w/my film and her best friend! Together they took the Professor's 40K and refused to give her the footage, copied it and made a short and claimed it as their own. She - the professor - wrote a letter for court for me. They ruined her 2nd film... it was never made by her that is.

Take Care,

Sue
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Posted 25 September 2008 - 06:16 PM

Sue, what you did was even MORE dishonest than a student trying to do a paper:

If you were involved with a legal issue and wanted expert advice, you should have said it and offered the proper compensation. The way you went about it was totally sleazy on all levels--totally lawyer-like--and a degree in sculpting doesn't help your case all:

Who the hell goes to college for a degree in SCULPTING!?

And judging by all of your posts, it's kind of hard to believe for sure that someone else actually "effed up" something.

You lost credibility in that respect, and none if it rings true.

You said you got "exactly what you wanted" from two other DPs, and that's all you were after in the first place, right? Exactly what you wanted?

Again--totally lawyer like.

Guys:

It is totally unconscionable to EVER support anyone taking legal action against someone unless you know all the facts, and this broad sounds like a total BS artist.

Takes one to know one, so checkmate!

Edited by Ira Ratner, 25 September 2008 - 06:18 PM.

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#14 Sue May

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:50 AM

Sue, what you did was even MORE dishonest than a student trying to do a paper:

If you were involved with a legal issue and wanted expert advice, you should have said it and offered the proper compensation. The way you went about it was totally sleazy on all levels--totally lawyer-like--and a degree in sculpting doesn't help your case all:

Who the hell goes to college for a degree in SCULPTING!?

And judging by all of your posts, it's kind of hard to believe for sure that someone else actually "effed up" something.

You lost credibility in that respect, and none if it rings true.

You said you got "exactly what you wanted" from two other DPs, and that's all you were after in the first place, right? Exactly what you wanted?

Again--totally lawyer like.

Guys:

It is totally unconscionable to EVER support anyone taking legal action against someone unless you know all the facts, and this broad sounds like a total BS artist.

Takes one to know one, so checkmate!


You're abusive and argumentative. All lawyers are not sleazy they have a job to do like every one else. Making a blanket statement? generalizing about a group of individuals based on their job/title is just as ignorant as making NEGATIVE assumptions or opinions based on race, gender, religion or nationality.

My lawyer is very intelligent, does a lot of charity work for non-profits, and is highly intelligent. I am not dishonest. I wrote what I needed and have the right to discuss the facts and issues in private.

Sculpting has nothing to do w/it; I only put it out there, because someone thought I was a student. Being dishonest means to lie or deceive - I did neither.

Lot's of people go to school for a Sculpture degrees and there?s tons of public art all over the world and in museums to prove that. Two of my new subjects are very famous sculptors who sell their work for hundreds of thousands of dollars... and have their work in museums - maybe you've heard of those places where the keep the art and SCULPTURES.

Your opinion on my creditability means nothing to me. You sound like an angry person who likes to abuse others. All the lawyers I know have high I.Q.s and are good at what they do. A ?Sleazy? lawyer is a cliché!

I never said I took legal action against anyone. You're making an assumption just as you make assumptions about LAWYERS. I did not take legal action against this girl. She stole from me and that is a criminal matter.

You're insulting, abusive, disrespectful, and then you infer that I?m a liar. In Psych 101, it?s called PROJECTION. It?s when someone (like you) takes their traits and PROJECTS those traits on to another (like me).

I found two great DPs and once we spoke, they were happy to help. They?re adults who are smart and have good instincts ? I think they?re able to make a decision as to if they want to write an opinion on what is proper in this industry in reference to being a DP. What they wrote would not be harmful to anyone ? unless someone was trying to pull a fast one/bamboozle others who know very little about this business.

I have nothing to lie about. I don?t steal from or harm other artists or filmmakers. You obviously don't have any respect for women by calling me a "broad."

I did offer compensation ? I never stated that I did otherwise. You once again made an assumption. You?re full of assumptions, which means you really didn?t read and/or comprehend what I wrote because if you had, you would not be writing what you did. I?m not sure what you have to be so angry or abusive about but you are. I don?t care if you think I have no creditability. My work speaks for me: artwork, photography, film-work.

You speak about me getting what I wanted? and what?s wrong w/that? Do you never get what you want? Maybe you?re to busy being angry and abusive to even know what you want. What I was looking for was simple and easy for any seasoned DP to write? so what. What I wanted was not negative or wrong or ?lawyer like.? It was what it was and that?s information.

An opinion is based on experience. It is not negative or positive. It?s facts based on one?s experience no matter the field or business. It can?t hurt anyone, it can only act as a guide to show what is acceptable or customary or true based on one person?s knowledge, education, and experience in that field. It is not for one side or the other.

It?s an opinion not abusive disrespectful slurs like those that you made against me.

Here?s a clue for you? if you chose you can redirect all that anger and abusive energy into your work? energy is just that and if you do you?ll be a much better DP or what ever it is you do. Try it and see it work, just like magic.
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Posted 26 September 2008 - 08:34 AM

How did this turn into an argument? It seems to me that she needed two professionals to write job descriptions so a judge would have a better understanding of how of doc shoot works. I don't see the problem. I see nothing sleazy or dishonest about it. Sure, it probably would have been easier if she would have just stated that to start with, but I don't think we can, or should, condemn her for that omission.

I'm just interested to know the name of this "operator" who allegedly did this. If this person is convicted I sure hope you'll come back and post her name. I'm sure quite a few people in NYC would appreciate the info.
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Posted 26 September 2008 - 02:31 PM

How did this turn into an argument? It seems to me that she needed two professionals to write job descriptions so a judge would have a better understanding of how of doc shoot works. I don't see the problem. I see nothing sleazy or dishonest about it. Sure, it probably would have been easier if she would have just stated that to start with, but I don't think we can, or should, condemn her for that omission.

I'm just interested to know the name of this "operator" who allegedly did this. If this person is convicted I sure hope you'll come back and post her name. I'm sure quite a few people in NYC would appreciate the info.


Hi,

I don't want to argue. I only was trying tap into your community and get some information. I thought it best to discuss the details in private. The persons who wrote the documents do so in good faith w/no prejudice or bias for or against anyone - it was merely information.

If I made a mistake then that was what it was a mistake. I never intended to harm or deceive. Thanks for understanding. I was doing the best I could w/the information I had and the time frame I had to work in.

This is a stressful situation. I spent 3 years of my life on this film. Anyway, I'm not sure what's going to happen. I am an observer now. The decision is not mine. And I did not raise this person to be who she is and make the decisions she made in reference to me and the other filmmaker she harmed.

I am only doing the best I can to protect my work and subjects. What more can I do?! Please understand that I never wished to deceive any of you so please consider the circumstances and my situation.

We are all just human and trying to create in our own way. Harming others in this process is not acceptable. What ever happens in court will all be public information. If you want to know I'll email you privately if u want to know, but once it's, over it's over and I'm moving forward. I've spent a lot of time and energy on this already - I have other projects and subjects that need my attention.

Sue
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Posted 30 September 2008 - 02:41 AM

Well...not really, proving your credits to IMDB can be quite difficult. You must provide verified links that your project is in the "public interest."

On the other hand, people can add their credits to an existing project, and they can sit there until the producer or IMDB takes them off. So in that particular case you would be correct Chad.

You could add your self in a below the line dept, adding your self as director? That would be a lot tougher :)

R,


IMDb isn't nearly as good as it used to be. Or maybe I used to think of it in higher regard and only I changed. With more and more people going out and making a video and instantly calling themselves a professional, more and more films get listed on IMDb that, IMHO shouldn't make it because they don't have distribution. A few bad apples cause people to be skeptical about all of them. Nothing is a perfect system and I completely understand why one should be able to correct their own listing and not have to wait for a producer to do it. I think that union status is a better indicator of professional experience. You can't get into the union by working for free, but you can get on IMDB for a film that you worked for for free. You can get on IMDb for working 1 day on pick-ups, but you can't get into the union without the min amount of days. But neither can attest to someone's creative ability, work ethic, etc.
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Posted 30 September 2008 - 04:56 AM

Sue, Brad is right. If that person is convicted please post their name. Honest people do not want to work with such a person.

I am curious though, why can't you get a cinematographer into the court room and have them testify in person? That would be much more solid then a paper.
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#19 Sue May

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 06:32 PM

Sue, Brad is right. If that person is convicted please post their name. Honest people do not want to work with such a person.

I am curious though, why can't you get a cinematographer into the court room and have them testify in person? That would be much more solid then a paper.



Hi, I will ask my lawyer about posting the name. I know that all the paperwork filed in court is public record so that has her name on it. We are not at the point of a trial. If it comes to that I assume that is the next step. This only some pre-trial stuff - sorry not a lawyer and not sure of the proper terminology is!

The document is good because it's notarized and provides information now that can be substantiated by an expert later and it may not have to be the exact expert.

The idea was to provide info also for a civil case which I may file later on for damages. Or I may file w/another filmmaker that paid the same shooter I hired and her best friend (both NYU bach. grads. by the way!) to shoot footage in Vietnam that she produced w/her subjects.

These girls did basically the same thing to this other filmmaker. They took her money, refused to give her the footage and demanded more money, when the footage was recovered they had copied it and damaged the tapes! They took another step w/the other filmmaker - they made a short and send it in to Sundance crediting themselves as director & DP!

It's an f-ing mess!

In fact the girl who screwed me is still sending out reels w/the Vietnam footage claiming to be the DP of a finished film that was never finished. The other filmmaker lost 40K and and is still paying the loan from this her mess w/these girls. Can you imagine they were only 24 when they did that to this filmmaker who is also a chair of a history dept. of a university, an author, and a Harvard Fellow! So, you know their nutty girls to do that to someone w/that kind of creditability!

I'll ask and see what I can do. Not matter what, we may file a joint civil suit if for no other reason than to get the word out about these two camera operators - but I'm not expecting any money from my nutcase.

I forgot... the girl who messed me up has no professional equip. she always shot w/my pro. equip. and no website (as well as her best friend) so they pretty much stay under the radar and use each other and friends from NYU as references.

They're criminals!

Sue
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Posted 02 October 2008 - 08:18 PM

Such people Sue, need to be exposed. They do not sound like film makers. They sound like crooks. I hope you get your papers and you win in court. This sound like a very ugly battle case but with the right evidence you can win. Sorry I cannot be of much help.

Good luck and keep us updated.
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