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#1 David Rakoczy

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:03 AM

Which has more Grain perception.. Vivid or 7217?

Which has more Sharpness perception.. Vivid or 7217?

Will need to order more Film here within 3 hours so any input will be much appreciated.

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#2 David Rakoczy

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:05 AM

Just got your Message John ;)

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:26 PM

Just got your Message John ;)

Will do!


Hey, David. Could you post the results of your research Vivid/7217 please?
I find a Vivid a bit more snappier and fine grained than 7217 in my tests.
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#4 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:33 PM

I'd be quite interested to know as well.
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#5 David Rakoczy

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:09 PM

I haven't really gotten any info yet..

Stephen says it is not a Grainy Stock... but didn't compare it Grain wise to 12 or 17. We had a brief discussion in the High Definition Category under Arri D21

John... just said quit asking about it and get on with it (shoot it)... that is all I have thus far. No matter.. two rolls arrive manana and and I'll see for myself.

Saul.. you have calmed me a bit with your post. Thanks. I know I'll rate it at 100 so that will help...

Even tho I am committed at this point, I'd still like to hear about it's comparative Grain perception compared to 12 & 17.

Anyone else???

Edited by David Rakoczy, 25 September 2008 - 04:11 PM.

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#6 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:22 PM

Hi David,

I only have experience with these two stocks in 16mm, not 35mm. I tested the Vivid last winter for a short I shot in January and made a workprint, without a telecine. I found the Vivid to be both more grainy and more contrasty than my previous experience with the 7217 when they were both overexposed 2/3 stop. I also really needed the extra 1/3 stop. Based on that, I chose the 7217, which I think ended up looking great.

Maybe the grain will be less of an issue in 35mm though. I know others here have gotten great results with the Vivid, but my experience was disappointing. Time to test again, I guess.

Good luck!
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#7 David Rakoczy

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:53 PM

Thanks Satsuki. Now I am going to loose sleep again (reaching for the meds)...

That is what I was afraid of. I shoot S16 and am a bit tired of the same 'look' all the time and want to try something new... so I thought I'd give Vivid a shot. I have been shooting 01, 12 & 17 exclusively.

Filmmaking can be exhausting when you really 'care' about your work! But hey, if it were easy, everybody would be doing it.. oh wait... they are!

Anyone else have an opinion???

Edited by David Rakoczy, 25 September 2008 - 04:55 PM.

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#8 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 09:50 PM

Mine wasn't a side by side test. Went to HDCAM via Spirit. I remember Vivid being fine grained, but I may be subjective about it -because I didn't expect it to be. I find 7217 a little too bland sometimes. Vivid seemed to have more character and more pleasing grain. I do like some grain, though, so take that with a grain of salt. That said, it is hard to beat Kodak Vision 2 stocks in their grain structure. Anyway, I liked Vivid a lot.

You'll be fine if the telecine suite has half decent grain reduction capabilities. Particularly for S16, you would have to be several stops under to worry about exploding grain or be using a tube based telecine machine. The Spy Post folks in the Bay Area do a great job with a Spirit and their grain reduction is second to none. They are my first-call telecine lab.

Hope that helps.
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#9 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 10:30 PM

Cannot find any Vivid footage, but this will work as a testament of Spy Post's capabilities.

It is 7201 pushed 1 stop and shot with a pola on R16 framed and zoomed in to 16x9.

There is very little grain as you can tell. If you cannot get better grain than this, something is very wrong.

The still is uncorrected, mind you -and Vision like bland- a flat pass transfer timeline grab.
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#10 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:18 AM

Forum member Jaime Metzger shot a Super 16 short last year on the Vivid which I pulled focus on, they finished at SpyPost and he sounded very happy with how it turned out. Jaime, if you're reading this, could you possibly share a few frames from the footage?

* Sorry to make you lose sleep David, but I'm sure you'll make the footage look good whatever stock you shoot. ;)

Edited by Satsuki Murashige, 26 September 2008 - 01:19 AM.

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#11 David Rakoczy

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 05:47 AM

Thanks Saul. Yes, this will go Spirit/ HDCam.

Thanks Satsuki! That was most kind ;)
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