Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:03 AM
Which has more Sharpness perception.. Vivid or 7217?
Will need to order more Film here within 3 hours so any input will be much appreciated.
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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:26 PM
Just got your Message John
Hey, David. Could you post the results of your research Vivid/7217 please?
I find a Vivid a bit more snappier and fine grained than 7217 in my tests.
Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:09 PM
Stephen says it is not a Grainy Stock... but didn't compare it Grain wise to 12 or 17. We had a brief discussion in the High Definition Category under Arri D21
John... just said quit asking about it and get on with it (shoot it)... that is all I have thus far. No matter.. two rolls arrive manana and and I'll see for myself.
Saul.. you have calmed me a bit with your post. Thanks. I know I'll rate it at 100 so that will help...
Even tho I am committed at this point, I'd still like to hear about it's comparative Grain perception compared to 12 & 17.
Edited by David Rakoczy, 25 September 2008 - 04:11 PM.
Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:22 PM
I only have experience with these two stocks in 16mm, not 35mm. I tested the Vivid last winter for a short I shot in January and made a workprint, without a telecine. I found the Vivid to be both more grainy and more contrasty than my previous experience with the 7217 when they were both overexposed 2/3 stop. I also really needed the extra 1/3 stop. Based on that, I chose the 7217, which I think ended up looking great.
Maybe the grain will be less of an issue in 35mm though. I know others here have gotten great results with the Vivid, but my experience was disappointing. Time to test again, I guess.
Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:53 PM
That is what I was afraid of. I shoot S16 and am a bit tired of the same 'look' all the time and want to try something new... so I thought I'd give Vivid a shot. I have been shooting 01, 12 & 17 exclusively.
Filmmaking can be exhausting when you really 'care' about your work! But hey, if it were easy, everybody would be doing it.. oh wait... they are!
Anyone else have an opinion???
Edited by David Rakoczy, 25 September 2008 - 04:55 PM.
Posted 25 September 2008 - 09:50 PM
You'll be fine if the telecine suite has half decent grain reduction capabilities. Particularly for S16, you would have to be several stops under to worry about exploding grain or be using a tube based telecine machine. The Spy Post folks in the Bay Area do a great job with a Spirit and their grain reduction is second to none. They are my first-call telecine lab.
Hope that helps.
Posted 25 September 2008 - 10:30 PM
It is 7201 pushed 1 stop and shot with a pola on R16 framed and zoomed in to 16x9.
There is very little grain as you can tell. If you cannot get better grain than this, something is very wrong.
The still is uncorrected, mind you -and Vision like bland- a flat pass transfer timeline grab.
Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:18 AM
* Sorry to make you lose sleep David, but I'm sure you'll make the footage look good whatever stock you shoot.
Edited by Satsuki Murashige, 26 September 2008 - 01:19 AM.
Posted 26 September 2008 - 05:47 AM
Thanks Satsuki! That was most kind