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#1 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 09:05 AM

I recently shot a Music Video for an artist in Detroit "Johnny Saxx" for his single "Take Me Away". My DP (Mark Archer, DelPadre Productions) and I had a long discussion about the RED ONE digital camera opposed to 35mm film. At first the idea of a digital workflow with the same quality and apperance as 35mm film sounded, well perfect. No more $900 an hour for devloping, no digital transfers, no fear of bad film and errors in devlopment, just digital pure digital, safe. But then after some research and discussions with editiors I soon relised that what seemed too good to be true actually was. The workflow presented more problems then I could imagine. I had to stay in budget, which was my biggest problem bacuase every day a new thing came up with workflow. First, we wanted to keep costs down and edirting more smooth and less time constricting by shooting in 2K opposed to 4K. Made sence, right? Nope, because when you shoot 2K opposed to 4K it crops the image, it does not just "squeeze" it. So we would loose half our focal leanth, half our image. We shot a scene in a 50X90 stage and we tried to shoot in 2K but even in a 50X90 stage it was too tight, we had to shoot 4K, obvisally raising our edit time and budget. In trems of edit time, I haer rumors of 14 hour remders and other crazy stuff like that. All I can do now is hope that the final edit is done within the original planned 2.5 week edit. The quality was gerat, I hooked up a 52" monitor to the RED and I was shocked! AMAZING. aND THAT WAS A raw image, can't wait for the color garde screen shots. Ill post them when I get them. The video will premire before halloween. I have attached a link for Flickr set photos. Let me know what you think of the set photos and whatever else.

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#2 Tom Lowe

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 11:15 AM

I hate to tell you, Mitch, but the fact that you were planning to shoot this at 2K without realizing that it would result in a crop factor on your lenses tells me that you simply did not do your homework in advance of the shoot.
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#3 Mike Simpson

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 11:35 AM

have you been living in a cave for the last 2 years? =p
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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:42 PM

I recently shot a Music Video for an artist in Detroit "Johnny Saxx" for his single "Take Me Away". My DP (Mark Archer, DelPadre Productions) and I had a long discussion about the RED ONE digital camera opposed to 35mm film. At first the idea of a digital workflow with the same quality and apperance as 35mm film sounded, well perfect. No more $900 an hour for devloping, no digital transfers, no fear of bad film and errors in devlopment, just digital pure digital, safe. But then after some research and discussions with editiors I soon relised that what seemed too good to be true actually was. The workflow presented more problems then I could imagine. I had to stay in budget, which was my biggest problem bacuase every day a new thing came up with workflow. First, we wanted to keep costs down and edirting more smooth and less time constricting by shooting in 2K opposed to 4K. Made sence, right? Nope, because when you shoot 2K opposed to 4K it crops the image, it does not just "squeeze" it. So we would loose half our focal leanth, half our image. We shot a scene in a 50X90 stage and we tried to shoot in 2K but even in a 50X90 stage it was too tight, we had to shoot 4K, obvisally raising our edit time and budget. In trems of edit time, I haer rumors of 14 hour remders and other crazy stuff like that. All I can do now is hope that the final edit is done within the original planned 2.5 week edit. The quality was gerat, I hooked up a 52" monitor to the RED and I was shocked! AMAZING. aND THAT WAS A raw image, can't wait for the color garde screen shots. Ill post them when I get them. The video will premire before halloween. I have attached a link for Flickr set photos. Let me know what you think of the set photos and whatever else.

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Shooting on the RED digital resulted in a last minuite budget decrease. Shooting digital had not even crossed my mind untill 3 days before the first shoot day. Thanks for the post. Check out the set photos.

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Edited by MitchWhy, 06 October 2008 - 12:43 PM.

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#5 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:43 PM

have you been living in a cave for the last 2 years? =p


Haha seems so. Check out the set photos.

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#6 Tim Terner

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:51 PM

Haha seems so. Check out the set photos.

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#7 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:53 PM

Have done, they're not too interesting


Um ok, well way to support a fellow filmmaker.
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#8 Tim Terner

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:58 PM

Um ok, well way to support a fellow filmmaker.

Heh. nice reply Mitch ;-), best o' luck to you
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#9 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 01:34 PM

Heh. nice reply Mitch ;-), best o' luck to you

and you too

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#10 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:23 PM

USEFUL INFO ANYONE!?!
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#11 David Rakoczy

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:42 PM

Ya.. QUIT DOUBLE POSTING! What about that do you not understand?

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 09:36 PM

After looking at a few of your pictures I'm wondering why you were running with the eyebrow and side flags when it looks like you totally didn't need them (adding more weight than needed for your jib) and also the extra part of the top handle that is worthless when you have the extension installed.

Didn't really find anything interesting in the pictures (not trying to be mean, but white cync work is kinda boring.) Although, I wish other white people would realize that they really shouldn't try their hand at rap music.

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#13 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 10:01 PM

It's hard to give useful information, all in all. I mean you lay out what you shot with, but honestly, I don't give a damn. Instead, I'd like to know why you shot it the way you did. Why a jib arm? Why the RED (aside from just budget, i mean you could have used other digital or HD systems). Why the look ?
That being said; I tend to agree, white cyc is pretty boring. It is very difficult to hold a video together with just cyc unless the performer and song are fantastic. The only time I can think where I was interested by the "white abyss," was the film "The Perfect Human." It's important to also keep this in mind in terms of when you go to edit, that you'll probably be making more cuts than you think.
You speak of grading; where do you plan on doing your grade?
Best luck though.
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#14 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 08:57 AM

I wish other white people would realize that they really shouldn't try their hand at rap music.

Matthew


And this means? what?
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#15 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 09:04 AM

Will post finished video before Halloween.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 10:02 AM

And this means? what?

It means that we're all racist against white people.
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#17 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 01:00 PM

It means that we're all racist against white people.


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Posted 07 October 2008 - 01:19 PM

I'm just stunned that you need two and a half weeks to edit a video! By the end of the last season I was editing an entire episode of Live From Abbey Road in under two weeks. Is your editor Steven Hawking?
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#19 Mitchell Yount

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 01:23 PM

I'm just stunned that you need two and a half weeks to edit a video! By the end of the last season I was editing an entire episode of Live From Abbey Road in under two weeks. Is your editor Steven Hawking?


Im not editing it. My editior, who is a professional, from what I understand, says that the RED footage is hard to work with.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 03:44 AM

Shooting on the RED digital resulted in a last minuite budget decrease. Shooting digital had not even crossed my mind untill 3 days before the first shoot day. Thanks for the post. Check out the set photos.

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On your myspace, your blog states that you are "Now Using the Red Camera for High Budget Productions"

Your DP could have suggested to shoot with S16 format Lenses so you could shoot in 2k Mode and keep wider viewing angles. Also, you need to use your spell check. One or two words spelled incorrectly is ok, not every other word. thats really bad.

Last Minute Budget decrease? At 18 you are lucky to be shooting on the Red. Don't sound too demanding yet. It's quite Obvious you are new to all this camera stuff. Just try to sound a bit more humble about it, and believable that 35mm was even legitimately considered. Not just thought of.

"No more $900 an hour for devloping, no digital transfers, no fear of bad film and errors in devlopment,"

lol, you pullin my leg right? Developing is charged Hourly? I've avoided bad film by buying through legitimate channels and handling the light sensitive material accordingly, and luckily never had any errors during development (god forbid)
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