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#1 Martin Gustafsson

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 06:53 AM

I?m going to shoot a music video in a few days and have been given the following as inspiration/reference to the look the band wants:

The dvd-cover of John Carpenters ?The Fog?: http://www.horrordvd...e/fog-se_fl.jpg

Parts of two metallica music videos:
The Unforgiven (the smoky solo part 3:20 - 4:35min )
The Unforgiven II (the smoky low angel stuff in the solo 3:52 - 4:30 )


How would you guys go about to film something like this? Simply some kind of hard rim-/backlight and a fogger of some sort I guess. But can anyone be specific please?

I?ll be shoothing this with a RedOne using Nikon lenses in a room about 15m * 15m *3,5m.

I have 2-3 redheads, 2 kinoflows and a little lens lamp at my disposal for free but I?m not sure these light are the best for the job? Will I be needing a stronger lens lamp of some sort?

There are six people in the band but I?m not sure its realistic to get them a lit together at once. 1-3 at a time seems more realistic.

It?s a low-low budget shoot so there is not much room to rent fancy equipment. The stuff we have right now is all borrowed from friends.
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#2 Martin Gustafsson

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 02:23 PM

No one?

Feedback and/or suggestions would be very appreciated!
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#3 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 03:45 PM

Seems fairly straightforward to me: strong hidden back light (redhead), lots of smoke fanned in from the side and maybe a couple of kinos in front to bring out some detail to the foreground . . .

Edited by Saul Rodgar, 13 October 2008 - 03:46 PM.

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#4 Mitch Lusas

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 08:32 PM

Hey Martin,

You won't want to use the kino's for the effect you're going for. Mix Kino's with fog and you have yourself a very nice frontal light. Looking at the Metallica videos, it seems there are three effects you may be looking for:

1. Strong Rimlight - Two Instruments at 45° angles at a downward angle.
2. Strong Rimlight plus Diagonal Splash - Same as above with an instrument barndoored on the backdrop.
3. Strong Rimlight plus Diagonal Splash with Front Slash/Snoot - Same as above with another instrument tilted down on the musician. Use a snoot or create a slash with the barndoors.

Looking at your lights though, I think you're going to need something a little more substantial. Remember, if you use the Kino's, you'll basically be killing the contrast you're looking for.
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#5 Martin Gustafsson

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 04:43 AM

Hi again!

The video is finished and if you are interested you can have a look at it here:
View on Vimeo

The look and concept evolved a bit after I talked to you guys but the basic premise of lots of smoke and backlights is still there.

I wanted a dirty silhouette look so I crushed the shadows, blew out the highlights and added grain and scan lines. The end result isn?t really RED-reference material but we went for something a bit grittier.

My first ever music video. My first ever solo project. I learned a lot and the end result turned out ok but there?s lots of room for improvement. Next time I hope I?ll do a lot of things different from the first time. The next one should be better! As always ;-)

Feedback and constructive criticism on the video is appreciated!

Thanks for all the help!
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#6 Kiarash Sadigh

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 07:53 PM

Hi again!

The video is finished and if you are interested you can have a look at it here:
View on Vimeo

The look and concept evolved a bit after I talked to you guys but the basic premise of lots of smoke and backlights is still there.

I wanted a dirty silhouette look so I crushed the shadows, blew out the highlights and added grain and scan lines. The end result isn?t really RED-reference material but we went for something a bit grittier.

My first ever music video. My first ever solo project. I learned a lot and the end result turned out ok but there?s lots of room for improvement. Next time I hope I?ll do a lot of things different from the first time. The next one should be better! As always ;-)

Feedback and constructive criticism on the video is appreciated!

Thanks for all the help!


Looks pretty good, share with us your lighting set up...
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#7 Evan Pierre

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 08:26 PM

That was awesome, it looks great!

Were those strobes synced with the double bass pedals?
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#8 Martin Gustafsson

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 04:23 AM

Thanks!!

Regarding the strobes. There where no actual strobes on the set, those are all posted in After Effects sine I knew I would have a hard time syncing actual strobes to the cameras shutter. The ironic thing is that after uploading the finished video to vimeo I noticed the same kind of strobe-problem that I was trying to avoid. Not sure why but on some frames only half the screen gets strobed. I?m guessing it has to do with vimeos 24fps conversion of my original 25fps material? When I look at the uncompressed video om my TV the strobe looks fine.

I?ll see if I can fix the vimeo video in a few days.

To create the strobe in After Effects I used exposure control on an adjustment layer and added a wiggle expression with a frequency that was about the same as the double bass pedals. Then i linked the expression to a expression slider-control and keyframed where I wanted the strobeeffect and how strong I wanted it to be.




About the lighting setup... It was very simpel, I can almost say that what you see is what you get since most of the lamps are shown in the frame. I did not have much time to work with the lights. Basicly I tried to always have at least one strong backlight in the frame to make the performer appear as a sillhouette. And then I had moving fill light:

I set up a bunch of work lights straight behind each member of the band, letting the light face straig towards the camera.

The spots in the cealing that you see during the refrain are built in practicals that where there to begin with.

I had two tiny kinos for fill light. I had people holding and moving during closeups to make the shadows come and go on the singers face.

In the wider shots I had two redheads, usually pointed at the singer to make him stand out a bit in the picture.

Edited by Martin Gustafsson, 04 December 2008 - 04:28 AM.

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#9 Joseph Zizzo

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 08:23 AM

nice look, there... it really takes a bit of imagination these days to get interesting looks on music videos with the budgets they have lately, doesn't it!?

i was wondering how you got those vertical streaks, like the out-of-sync shutter thing with a film camera?

thanks, and again, nice work.
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