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#1 Jamie Metzger

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 11:14 PM

I think it comes from the lamp in the right hand side of the screen. I know it's hard to see since it's only a jpeg.

I'm interested in your thoughts. Look at the top left where the red circle is.

http://bayimg.com/DAmNNAabJ
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#2 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 24 December 2008 - 01:52 AM

I'm interested in your thoughts. Look at the top left where the red circle is.

http://bayimg.com/DAmNNAabJ


the image didn't load on the site, I just got a question mark where the photo should be.
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#3 Max Jacoby

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Posted 24 December 2008 - 04:19 AM

Me too.
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#4 John Sprung

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Posted 24 December 2008 - 01:18 PM

Same here, can't see it.




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#5 Matthew Buick

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Posted 24 December 2008 - 02:25 PM

Ditto.

Really sorry. :(
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#6 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 24 December 2008 - 06:48 PM

No image on the link, as it has been reported.
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#7 Jamie Metzger

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Posted 28 December 2008 - 03:43 PM

Sorry for the delay:
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Where the red circle is, you can find the flare.

Like I said, it's hard to notice it from a still frame, but it bothered me when i saw it, and I want to know how to avoid these.
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#8 K Borowski

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Posted 28 December 2008 - 06:13 PM

Sorry for the delay:
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Where the red circle is, you can find the flare.

Like I said, it's hard to notice it from a still frame, but it bothered me when i saw it, and I want to know how to avoid these.


I'm not entirely positive, due to small size and low resolution, but it appears to be coming from that ceiling lamp to the right of your actress.

I don't know if, in this instance it is possible not to have some sort of flare with a light ficture being photographed directly on camera. A matte box won't help.

It's just as with photographing candles, newer lenses have better anti-reflection coatings, but even they aren't perfect. You cannot eliminate flare altogether, and this flare looks to be mild and unavoidable.
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#9 Alfeo Dixon

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Posted 28 December 2008 - 11:00 PM

I'm not entirely positive, due to small size and low resolution

Click the photo and it will take you to a larger photo and if you click that one I was able to view it full screen and then able to zoom in by click on it a third time.

My guess would be the instrument that is giving her the edge... the flare it's self is your clue, it looks like the light is inline with the door from the camera. Probably peeked into your matte box and wasn't caught by the grips or your op.
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#10 K Borowski

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Posted 28 December 2008 - 11:37 PM

Click the photo and it will take you to a larger photo and if you click that one I was able to view it full screen and then able to zoom in by click on it a third time.

My guess would be the instrument that is giving her the edge... the flare it's self is your clue, it looks like the light is inline with the door from the camera. Probably peeked into your matte box and wasn't caught by the grips or your op.


I did click on it. It's *still small* :P


I also said the same thing about the light, I think. You're talking about the dome light, right? I guess it could be another light off frame or out of the composition, the "motivated" light, if you will. But there appears to be a ceiling in the shot, so where would the light be?
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#11 Alfeo Dixon

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 12:26 AM

I also said the same thing about the light, I think. You're talking about the dome light, right? I guess it could be another light off frame or out of the composition, the "motivated" light, if you will. But there appears to be a ceiling in the shot, so where would the light be?


Nope. I'm speaking about a source that could possibly be just over the plant and the red banister giving our edge to the actor from the left. The ceiling is in the upstage of the frame but is also great to c-clap onto with the rafters exposed, lending itself to easy rigging just above frame.

How 'bout it Jamie? anything in the zone?
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#12 K Borowski

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 12:58 AM

Yeah JM, howabout a lighting diagram? ;-)
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#13 Ram Shani

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 02:45 AM

did you used matte box with filters on the shot?

maybe it came from the back of the matte-box hit the filter and back to the lens

it happens some times when the matte-box isn't tight well
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 03:57 AM

in my opinion there is a source just over the flare that is in line with the camera gate to produce a reflection.
it happened to me once that I had lots of obvious flares exactly under the light sources, staying with them as I was panning, with a clip-on mattebox on; they only appeared on weird angles above the frame, not when the lamp was in shot, and I could not see them in the viewfinder.
I found out later that in camera the black matte paint around the film gate was a bit scrachted.
I had to shoot again about one third of a short, one month later, when everibody was available.
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#15 Jamie Metzger

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 04:30 AM

Sorry gents, this isn't my footage. It's from Season 3 of Dexter. I'll try to upload a clip of this on vimeo to hopefully get some better quality out of the upload.

Hopefully we can figure this out.

Thanks for the ideas!

Jamie
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#16 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 06:37 PM

Highly doubt it's from that hanging light above the table. It's definitely from her key source which is a little less than 3/4, coming from the frame top left. You can tell by the shadows that the light's direction is just about where the flare is.

And it looks like a wider lens, so either a lenser would have been in the shot, or they just simply were moving too quickly to take care of it.
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