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#1 Johnny Roc

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 08:23 PM

indie feature. shooting format = 35mm. Buy backs, no short ends. 4 perf. ( 2perf needs DI. ). 1.85
64000 ft of Kodak Vision 500T 5218 and 250D 5205.
end goal = film print

then:
Staying in Film is
- cheaper
- better quality print

There are no effect shots.
Any real disadvantages I'm not seeing?

For DVDs/internet promos we'd do a standard def telecine onto a Digibeta and the editor would do basic coloring in Final Cut. Main objective is to get that gorgeous 35mm print.

Sorry if this is an old topic.
thank you!
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#2 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 07:34 AM

1st generation 35mm prints look wonderful projected. However, if you're doing a telecine from a projection contrast print you may find that it can be a bit dense in the shadows or night scenes. This mightn't an issue, just something to bear in mind.
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#3 Sam Wells

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 10:38 AM

Better to do the telecine from an IP

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#4 David Rakoczy

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 10:59 AM

Better to do the telecine from an IP

-Sam


Absolutely... and not from a Lo-Con Print that is 'supposedly' made for telecine. Use the IP.
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#5 John Sprung

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 01:23 PM

The major studios by now have DI in their pattern budgets. But for a low budget show, if you don't need effects or the more versatile color correction environment, very likely the money is better spent elsewhere in the budget.

Lo-Con prints are a strange old thing. The reason for them was that before we had telecine, the only way to get film onto TV was through a "film chain", basically a projector and ordinary TV camera bolted together. Film chains didn't let you do the color correction it takes to go from negative or IP, and projection contrast prints were too contrasty, so Kodak made a special stock just for this. We had an MOW about 20 years ago that did a Lo-Con, that's the only one I've ever seen in person.

For this low budget feature, telecine from an IP if you make one in time, otherwise, you need a facility that can handle telecine from the cut negative. Ask about that, because some machines have focus problems at the splices.



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#6 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 02:10 PM

but remember that in the editing any fade transition IS a special effect that needs aditional optical work and a new line in the budget.

still the cheapest route
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#7 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 02:13 PM

but remember that in the editing any fade transition IS a special effect that needs aditional optical work and a new line in the budget.

still the cheapest route


You can A & B roll the neg for dissolves, although you get charged for setting up each one.
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#8 Johnny Roc

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 05:55 PM

does this look right? If we just need 1 print with the ability to make more later, and a possibility of mastering on a HDcam later, do you see any unnecessary steps in here? Is something missing? Do the rates look ok?

( 64,000 ft. processing $0.095 per ft, telecine to DVcam $175/hr for 43 hrs. )
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35mm color answer print, a-roll, liguidgate $0.91 qty: 9270 ft $8435
DLC dynamic light changes ( do i really need this? ) $500 flat
35mm digital optical soundtrack negative $0.54 9270 ft $5005
sync optical soundrack negatives to picture negative $38 6 reels $228
35mm color IP, a-roll, liquidgate $0.945 9270 ft $8760
35mm color internegative $0.89 9270 ft $8250
35mm color check print $0.22 9270 ft $2039
Sub Total: $33,219
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#9 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 07:30 PM

where is the poetry of cinematography here, i'm lost ! help !
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#10 Johnny Roc

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 08:02 PM

title: money ran out. by johnny roc.

johnny roc made a feature
but didn't do the math
on the screen shows up a creature
it's johnny taking a bath



where is the poetry of cinematography here, i'm lost ! help !


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#11 Paul Bruening

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 10:28 PM

title: money ran out. by johnny roc.

johnny roc made a feature
but didn't do the math
on the screen shows up a creature
it's johnny taking a bath


Quite clever.
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#12 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 10:56 PM

title: money ran out. by johnny roc.

johnny roc made a feature
but didn't do the math
on the screen shows up a creature
it's johnny taking a bath


:lol:
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#13 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 09:59 AM

title : a towel for johnny roc

what's the point of making an interneg
if you need just one print
save here rather to beg
or leave the lab on a sprint
;)
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#14 Johnny Roc

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:27 PM

merci beaucoup
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