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#1 Jonathan Rohs

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 07:42 PM

Hi -
I am trying to get into the transfer of Super 8mm film, mostly for the learning experience and helping my family and friends preserve their memories onto DVD. I already have transferred VHS (yes, I understand it's very different, but at least that lets you know that I have the other end of equipment paid for). Now, I've done enough research to understand that it is cheaper to get this done by a professional... but, let's say I can't be talked out of the DIY telecine route...

What brand and model would anyone out there who has actually TRIED these brands ( and is not a salesman) recommend < $15k?

So far, I've encountered the MovieStuff, Tobin, and Elmo brands and I've scoured this forum to find nobody having a clear post about this...
Any thoughts?
I've seen what the MovieStuff guy has to say and I also know that I'd be happier with a Spirit brand, but these seem to run like $30k...
Any and all info would be helpful!

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Jon
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#2 Robert Houllahan

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 09:33 PM

"So far, I've encountered the MovieStuff, Tobin, and Elmo brands and I've scoured this forum to find nobody having a clear post about this..."

The Elmo is junk the Tobin and the Moviestuff will be similar and quite good in many respects I would pick whichever one seems best to you out of the two. Both are well made and perform similarly.

"I've seen what the MovieStuff guy has to say and I also know that I'd be happier with a Spirit brand, but these seem to run like $30k..."


A used Thompson Spirit SDC-2000 Data Cine (Spirit-1) can be had used with a color corrector for around $550,000.00 to about $750,000.00 expect to pay about $70,000.00 for a used Super-8 gate if you can find one. :huh:

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#3 Jonathan Rohs

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 09:55 PM

"A used Thompson Spirit SDC-2000 Data Cine (Spirit-1) can be had used with a color corrector for around $550,000.00 to about $750,000.00 expect to pay about $70,000.00 for a used Super-8 gate if you can find one. :huh:"

Yikes, not sure where I got the $30k figure... I thought I saw it on some used site! Thanks for the info... I like the idea of the 3-ccd dv-8 sniper pro, but I've seen good results from Tobin's as well... it's always hard to tell though how much was done with other post-gear... All I have is FCP, is there any other software/hardware I should consider investing in?

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#4 Freddy Van de Putte

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 12:57 AM

You can have very good 8mm transfer quality at a very low price:
Visit My Website (this is a free time project, not commercial)

As for the software: Avisynth and VirtualDub are both free.


Greetings from Flanders, Belgium

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Edited by Freddy Van de Putte, 17 April 2009 - 12:58 AM.

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#5 John Sprung

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 01:57 AM

A used Thompson Spirit SDC-2000 Data Cine (Spirit-1) can be had used with a color corrector for around $550,000.00 to about $750,000.00


Wow, I can remember when they used to be expensive. Some of the early bays were north of 5 mil. The 16mm gate had new optics that made them the very best way to get sharp images from 16. Never before heard that there were Super-8 kits for the Spirit.




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#6 Robert Houllahan

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 08:18 AM

Wow, I can remember when they used to be expensive. Some of the early bays were north of 5 mil. The 16mm gate had new optics that made them the very best way to get sharp images from 16. Never before heard that there were Super-8 kits for the Spirit.




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Well the original Spirit-1 is getting old... Of course new Spirit-HD 2K and 4K are very expensive. And yes there are a few Super-8 gates floating around for the Spirit Technicolor has one in NY etc..

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#7 Bryan Clark

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 06:09 PM

What brand and model would anyone out there who has actually TRIED these brands ( and is not a salesman) recommend < $15k?

So far, I've encountered the MovieStuff, Tobin, and Elmo brands and I've scoured this forum to find nobody having a clear post about this...
Any thoughts?


Moviestuff will also require equipment it does not come with. Same with Tobin, only Tobin outputs with no processing, whereas Moviestuff does not (you'll need CineCap software for post processing, very specific computer/software setup which you must follow EXACTLY). I have had a couple machines by Moviestuff, and I'm waiting on 2 from Tobin to test out. Shall I keep you updated on my findings?
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#8 Jonathan Rohs

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 06:21 PM

Moviestuff will also require equipment it does not come with. Same with Tobin, only Tobin outputs with no processing, whereas Moviestuff does not (you'll need CineCap software for post processing, very specific computer/software setup which you must follow EXACTLY). I have had a couple machines by Moviestuff, and I'm waiting on 2 from Tobin to test out. Shall I keep you updated on my findings?


Yes, please do, please do, it's been very hard for me to find info on this stuff! Also, if you wouldn't mind filling me in on the specific computer/software setup you need with the Moviestuff...

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#9 Bryan Clark

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 11:50 AM

Yes, please do, please do, it's been very hard for me to find info on this stuff! Also, if you wouldn't mind filling me in on the specific computer/software setup you need with the MovieStuff...

Thanks,
Jon


If you get a non-HD Sniper Pro to do film transfers

For the computer, you'll need :
Windows XP Professional
Version 2002
Service Pack 2

I actually had to purchase an OEM SP2 disk since all of my systems came with SP3 CDs (~$100)

ONLY THESE UPDATES:
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1
Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service pack 1
Windows Installer 3.1 (KB8993803)
Windows Service Pack 2

Do not under any circumstances connect this computer to the internet (just in case, right?) because any random changes can throw the whole thing off. We actually had a problem with Nero, also. I would ONLY install Windows, the DV codec, and CineCap. Anything else might become the source of frustration. In other words, dedicate one computer to do captures (and the post processing necessary via CineCap) and don't use it for anything else.

You'll need a minimum 512 megs of RAM, a P4 level Intel processor (or equivalent). We're actually using a 3.2 hyperthreading with 1 GB of RAM. Spend a little more to spare yourself the headache, since if you end up having some sort of deficiency in processing power, you'll have to buy another computer anyway. We bought ours from a Mom & Pop refurb redistributer for around $450. You'll also fire-wire input ($12) for a Canopus ADVC 110 (purchase separately, $220) analog to digital converter. An outside power source ($15) for said converter (to make sure power is regulated properly, also purchase separately). You'll also want to use the 4 pin out from the Canopus to the six pin in on your computer ($5). Using the 6 pin to 6 pin means drawing power from the PCI card in addition to the outlet, which means power fluctuations. Also, reset the Canopus daily by unplugging and plugging back in. You'll need the CineCap Velocity software (PC only, $150), editing software (for post, which is a must), and they recommend the newest DV AVI codec from a specific supplier (another $50).

I recommend getting a UPC with power conditioner to plug everything into, to make sure browning or spiking does not occur (another $200 for a decent quality unit, but I would recommend this for either machine set).

We also capture during the day, digitally process overnight. You'll need to do batch capture/process cycles to make the most of your time.

Edited by Bryan Clark, 26 August 2009 - 11:54 AM.

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#10 Patrick ODonnell

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:52 PM

Does this mean that the MovieStuff machines will not produce files usable by a Mac?
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