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#1 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 02:41 AM

Is there a producer's forum and what about sites geared to producers, the legalities, information, resources, reference material ect., anything that could be useful and a producer might need? ALSO if anyone can recommend any good reading material on producing (books, articles, tutorials, ect) please post them or their location, I would appreciate it. Thanks B)
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#2 David Rakoczy

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 12:16 PM

JSB.. any leads..?

This would be great. Unfortunately, many here view Producers as the enemy, however, as a Dir/DP/Copywriter/Editor/Producer I would love to visit a site such as you have mentioned. Please post or IM me any leads.
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 12:39 PM

Is there a producer's forum and what about sites geared to producers, the legalities, information, resources, reference material ect., anything that could be useful and a producer might need? ALSO if anyone can recommend any good reading material on producing (books, articles, tutorials, ect) please post them or their location, I would appreciate it. Thanks B)



I highly recommend the following for aspiring Producers:


The Movie Producer: A Handbook for Producing and Picture-Making (Paperback) by Paul N. Lazarus
http://www.amazon.co...l_pop_2_rdssss0

Why? Because it is one of the best no-nonsense books out there that truly explains the purpose and duties of real Producers and what they actually do (and should be doing).


http://www.amazon.co...t...5862&sr=8-1

Why? Because it explains the nuts-&-bolts of how a project gets made on a shot-by-shot basis. Macro issues are important for a Producer, but so is knowing exactly how a movie is made and what it takes to do a single "set up."


http://realfilmcareer.com

Why? It has the most up-to-date BUSINESS information for the professional film industry. Learning the "how to" is very important, but it is equally important to keep abreast of how the industry is doing worldwide.
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#4 Richard Boddington

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 06:14 PM

One of the reasons I'm guessing no such site exists for real producers to post on is because producers are the last people in the this business to share information.

If you have found a great way to fund a movie, you keep it to yourself and say as little as possible. The instant you open your mouth one hundred other producers will stampede to the same source.

Same thing for if you find a great source for gear at lower rates, production services, locations, film stock, what ever. The key is to not share the information or you lose a competitive advantage.

Oh and Brian how much are you paying those people to say those things about your book on Amazon? :D

Good for you for getting it done and into a sales situation!!

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#5 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 11:05 PM

Oh and Brian how much are you paying those people to say those things about your book on Amazon? :D

Good for you for getting it done and into a sales situation!!

R,



Not a dime. :) In the publishing process, I was told that the vast majority of endorsements are written by the author and "signed off" by others (famous and not) who are solicited to put their names to those blurbs. I can't bring myself to be so dishonest which is why some of my "competitors" have tons of blurbs and I only have four so far.

And that gets to my entire point and purpose... to provide genuine real information instead of feeding the dream just to make cash as most others do. Lord knows I want a Ferrari, but I can't lie and mislead to do it. Call me crazy. :blink:
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 11:32 PM

Lord knows I want a Ferrari, but I can't lie and mislead to do it. Call me crazy. :blink:


Isn't that rather capitalist of you?

No I didn't say that!! Gasp, forget I said that ;)

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#7 David Rakoczy

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 01:48 AM

There is certainly more to Producing than producing a Feature... there are tons of commercials, music videos, corporate and short films produced everyday... there is plenty to discuss without giving away your path to success. Simply sharing horror stories and networking solutions would be great. hey, DPs are of the same mentality and look at all the sharing that takes place here.

Bryan... congrats on the book! Hope you get that Ferrari... or two... or five... or share your wealth... what ever you want, as (You) are the one who earned it. I'd sure hate for big brother to swoop in.. take the majority of it and blow it on things (he) feels are better ways to spend (Your) hard earned dollars.
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#8 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 07:56 AM

Bryan... congrats on the book! Hope you get that Ferrari... or two... or five... or share your wealth... what ever you want, as (You) are the one who earned it. I'd sure hate for big brother to swoop in.. take the majority of it and blow it on things (he) feels are better ways to spend (Your) hard earned dollars.



"Blow it"? Like roads, bridges, education, police, fire departments, military, social safety nets for abused children, etc.? :blink: Yes, I will gladly share my wealth for (eeek! :o ) SOCIALIST necessities that it takes to keep a civilized nation functioning. Thanks for asking! ;)

Now, I just have to create that wealth so I can share it. If only those Capitalist profiteers, like those in the Health Care Industry (for one), would just stop taking advantage of all of us, then maybe all of us could create real wealth from the bottom up and we could all live comfortable lives.
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 11:29 AM

Of course we need roads.. sheesh Bryan.. do you think I don't believe we should pay (any) taxes..?.. you would be mistaken. How could we defend ourselves? Sure we need that stuff, however, in all the 20 years I lived in LA and knowing all the Taxes accumulated.. Cahuenga is still as rough a road as it has ever been... so is Lankershim... and the 101 and the 405 (two of the U.S.'s busiest freeways) merge in a single lane.. still... after all we pay... still the schools for the most part suck... and there are shopping carts strewn throughout the Valley and LA Basin... and the State is bankrupt.. come on. I am all for helping each other while helping ourselves but if you think money is not being blown (wasted)... you are living in another dimension! Your ideology is fogging your perception of my comments. When people are paying 30 - 90% Taxes on their Income, Taxed on every purchase, for running a business, for owning Property, for any Gains in the Market, Gifts or an Inheritance from a loved one... and on and on... and things are still screwed up, and your solution is to throw even more money at a failed system?... my suggestion is to cut the fat and cut deep... still allowing for some safety net for our brothers and sisters who (truly) need our help... not the 'screw everybody but me' mentality you choose to assign to free market thinkers. Remember, it is this Capitalistic System that built ALL that you wish to socialize... if that is indeed your wishes...

btw.. you are welcome for the compliment. :rolleyes:
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#10 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 11:10 PM

Of course we need roads.. sheesh Bryan.. do you think I don't believe we should pay (any) taxes..?.. you would be mistaken. How could we defend ourselves? Sure we need that stuff, however, in all the 20 years I lived in LA and knowing all the Taxes accumulated.. Cahuenga is still as rough a road as it has ever been... so is Lankershim... and the 101 and the 405 (two of the U.S.'s busiest freeways) merge in a single lane.. still... after all we pay... still the schools for the most part suck... and there are shopping carts strewn throughout the Valley and LA Basin... and the State is bankrupt.. come on. I am all for helping each other while helping ourselves but if you think money is not being blown (wasted)... you are living in another dimension! Your ideology is fogging your perception of my comments. When people are paying 30 - 90% Taxes on their Income, Taxed on every purchase, for running a business, for owning Property, for any Gains in the Market, Gifts or an Inheritance from a loved one... and on and on... and things are still screwed up, and your solution is to throw even more money at a failed system?... my suggestion is to cut the fat and cut deep... still allowing for some safety net for our brothers and sisters who (truly) need our help... not the 'screw everybody but me' mentality you choose to assign to free market thinkers. Remember, it is this Capitalistic System that built ALL that you wish to socialize... if that is indeed your wishes...

btw.. you are welcome for the compliment. :rolleyes:



Well, you've managed to hijack this thread, so we'll just go on anyway. You wish to "cut deep." What evil Socialist government expenditures do you wish to cut? Be precise and explain fully and clearly the reasons for each cut.

I've never heard ANYONE begging for pure Socialism in this nation or any other for that matter. But greedy whiners in this country continually beg for Pure Unregulated Free Market Capitalism which has been PROVEN to only enrich a few at the top while destroying the Middle Class and killing (literally) the Poor.

The answer is balance and the sooner Republicans and FOX NEWS and Free Market Capitalists realize this, the sooner we all can get moving toward real progress where everyone has a true chance at opportunity instead of the lip-service we've all been force-fed for the past 30+ years.

Read, "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein and then come back and discuss this issue (before hijacking another thread). Seriously. Don't discuss this issue until you've actually taken the time to investigate and learn about what you're advocating. Beliefs are nice, but they have very real and serious life & death implications. Unrestrained Free Market Capitalism KILLS. Literally.



In the meantime, for anyone interested in becoming a Movie Producer, I reiterate my suggestions above as well as keeping in mind that your employees (crew and cast) are the tools you NEED to create your product. Treat them well and fairly and they will go out of their way to help make a quality project. But the minute they detect ANY sign that you're out to screw them over in any way, it's over... they'll phone it in and take you for every dollar you've got. Cast and Crew choose their jobs/careers because they want to do that "function." And they'll do it to the best of their ability for, if nothing else, pride in their work... until they perceive that a Producer is out to squeeze them in any way. A Producer is important, but so is EVERYONE else on set (and off). So, learn what THEY do so you know who you need to hire and what they are worth. Be fair and treat everyone as well as you want to be treated and (script notwithstanding), you'll wind up with a quality product. It's just that easy.
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#11 David Rakoczy

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 05:20 AM

Hijack?.... now you are laughable :lol: and in your 4th paragraph you obviously have no clue as to what I am 'advocating'.. it must be terribly difficult to navigate with those blinders on! :ph34r:
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 01:41 AM

TRUE communism would be beautiful thing, the problem is people are by nature basically greedy so it will never work. Thanks for the information, as we speak, we're putting together an investment memorandum and business plan also working out a full schedule so this info does help. Hey BTW does anybody have suggestions for a list and order for Pre-production? I THINK I have a fairly good idea of what I need to plan for but it doesn't hurt to have more than one mind working on the details. Your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks-Steve
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#13 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 08:29 AM

Hijack?.... now you are laughable :lol: and in your 4th paragraph you obviously have no clue as to what I am 'advocating'.. it must be terribly difficult to navigate with those blinders on! :ph34r:



Avoidance doesn't solve anything. I'm always interested in knowing exactly what Capitalists would like to cut from a Federal/State budget. You can respond to me directly so this thread can get back to it's purpose. Thanks!
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 08:36 AM

Avoidance doesn't solve anything

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It has been working great for you!

I'm always interested in knowing exactly what Capitalists would like to cut from a Federal/State budget. You can respond to me directly so this thread can get back to it's purpose. Thanks!


I won't be responding Brian.. don't wait for a reply :rolleyes:
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#15 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 08:38 AM

TRUE communism would be beautiful thing, the problem is people are by nature basically greedy so it will never work. Thanks for the information, as we speak, we're putting together an investment memorandum and business plan also working out a full schedule so this info does help. Hey BTW does anybody have suggestions for a list and order for Pre-production? I THINK I have a fairly good idea of what I need to plan for but it doesn't hurt to have more than one mind working on the details. Your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks-Steve


Right, true Communism AND Capitalism will never work because of human greed, which is why we need balance of the two. Socialism keeps society cohesive. Capitalism allows the freedom to attempt to achieve our goals. Thirty years of Supply Side economics have sucked our system dry so it takes Socialistic policies to bring us back from the brink and into stability. Unfortunately there are still too many Capitalists who refuse to see reality, so it'll always be a fight.

ANYWAY, I don't know if you've seen them or not (so forgive me if I'm repeating things you already know), but there are some great scheduling/budgeting books that help describe the pre-production process in detail. The gist is that you start with a general script breakdown to get a first budget. Then, bring in an experienced First AD to prepare a more detailed script breakdown. From that, he can begin to put together a rough schedule. At the same time, you'll be trying to lock in locations and talent (Actors, Director). Those elements will impact the schedule and budget. If a practical location can't be found (or isn't available when you need it), then a set may have to be built and that will obviously add to your expenditures. If you can get better talent, your costs will go up (to pay them), BUT those names may actually add funds to your budget because the investors will see your project as more worthy of risk.

There is no one order to all of this. It's a constantly shifting process as new elements are added or changed.

I've got some of the great books listed at http://www.realfilmcareer.com. Click on the Forums link then scroll down to the Resources threads to find everything you need.

Good luck!
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#16 Joe Giambrone

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:30 PM

This socialism debate is needed, but I don't think this is the appropriate place.

My blog is intended for people to comment on the political ideas in films (narratives and documentaries). Article submissions are welcome too:

http://politicalfilm.wordpress.com/

Send suggestions and submissions to polfilmblog a t g m a i l. com.
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