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#1 Kirk Anderson

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 08:13 PM

So, these just happen to fall from the sky and end up in my hands. They have definitely been sitting for over 20 years. I blew them out with a rocket and cleaned them up. I looked all over and searched and couldn't find any information about the mount or what camera they were used for.
I'm guessing filmo or mitchell.

So here are some questions:
What mount are these?
Are they decent lenses?
Could they be converted to PL mount and used today?
Are they worth anything?

Just a little research before deciding if I want to keep them. I mostly used super8 and 16.
Thanks in advance!!!

Lens #1
Cooke Deep Field Panchro 100mm 4 inch lens Taylor Hobson
<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3580257816/" title="IMG_3075 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static....553ec7c05b.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3075" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3579448399/" title="IMG_3076 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static....4176328565.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3076" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3579450327/" title="IMG_3077 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static....d11924af7f.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="IMG_3077" /></a>

Lens #2
Elec Cooke Speed Panchro 50mm

<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3579454143/" title="IMG_3079 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static....7237216da4.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3079" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3580267618/" title="IMG_3080 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static....f0397a224e.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3080" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3579458195/" title="IMG_3081 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static....77e4e9c395.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="IMG_3081" /></a>

Lens #3
Cooke Speed Panchro 50mm (doesn't say "elec" on this one"
<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3580271598/" title="IMG_3082 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static....616fc1a657.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3082" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3579462221/" title="IMG_3085 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static....1cbd8f4763.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3085" /></a>

Lens #4
Bell and Howell 75mm 3 inch lens (says "for 35mm" on it, different mount)
<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3580275768/" title="IMG_3086 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static....1a65689227.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3086" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3580277830/" title="IMG_3087 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static....4e7659154c.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3087" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.co...00/3579467999/" title="IMG_3088 by Belvedere Belvedere Belvedere, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static....ec8493384d.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_3088" /></a>

&!!!!
and here's a bunch of other stuff, are these gates?
Anything anyone might need?
I think those are also 2 90 degree viewfinders


Thanks for all you help!!
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#2 Kirk Anderson

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 08:21 PM

sorry try these links...

Lens #1
Cooke Deep Field Panchro 100mm 4 inch lens Taylor Hobson

lens 1 on flickr

Lens #2
Elec Cooke Speed Panchro 50mm
lens 2

Lens #3
Cooke Speed Panchro 50mm (doesn't say "elec" on this one")
lens 3

Lens #4
Bell and Howell 75mm 3 inch lens (says "for 35mm" on it, different mount)
lens 4
&!!!!
and here's a bunch of other stuff, are these gates?
Anything anyone might need?
I think those are also 2 90 degree viewfinders

extra stuff


Thanks for all you help!!
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#3 Stephen Williams

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 03:06 AM

sorry try these links...

Lens #1
Cooke Deep Field Panchro 100mm 4 inch lens Taylor Hobson

lens 1 on flickr

Lens #2
Elec Cooke Speed Panchro 50mm
lens 2

Lens #3
Cooke Speed Panchro 50mm (doesn't say "elec" on this one")
lens 3

Lens #4
Bell and Howell 75mm 3 inch lens (says "for 35mm" on it, different mount)
lens 4
&!!!!
and here's a bunch of other stuff, are these gates?
Anything anyone might need?
I think those are also 2 90 degree viewfinders

extra stuff


Thanks for all you help!!



Beautiful lenses from Cooke, released in the 1940's & still used by many prople when rehoused today. They have been discussed many times here before so do a search.

http://www.cookeopti...tory/1940s.html
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#4 Kirk Anderson

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 11:40 AM

Beautiful lenses from Cooke, released in the 1940's & still used by many prople when rehoused today. They have been discussed many times here before so do a search.

http://www.cookeopti...tory/1940s.html


Thanks Stephen! I saw that on their website, but I still wonder.
What mount is this?
Are these Series I or II?

Any idea on the B and H lens?
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#5 Stephen Williams

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 12:38 PM

Thanks Stephen! I saw that on their website, but I still wonder.
What mount is this?
Are these Series I or II?

Any idea on the B and H lens?


Hi Kirk,

Having had another look, the 50mm lens's are Series 1 (F2). Series 2 always say Ser II on them and F1.7 I think. The Series 1 are much less sharp. The Deep Field Pancro is later and still a very good lens. The 75mm is possibly a Cooke badged as B+H. The Ser II are always very yellow due to coatings decay, however this is a S1.

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#6 Kirk Anderson

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 03:28 PM

Cool, I can't find a ballpark price for series I 50mm Cookes.
The deep focus looks like it could be worth over a grand if it had a new mount.
Haven't been able to find anything like the B&H online.

Anyone know of a mitchell enthusiast group online?
I don't really have any use for the film gates etc.

Anyone wanna make a gesture of worth? I need some lights and I don't have a 35 cam.
Thanks!
Kirk
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#7 Stephen Williams

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 03:49 PM

Cool, I can't find a ballpark price for series I 50mm Cookes.
The deep focus looks like it could be worth over a grand if it had a new mount.
Haven't been able to find anything like the B&H online.

Anyone know of a mitchell enthusiast group online?
I don't really have any use for the film gates etc.

Anyone wanna make a gesture of worth? I need some lights and I don't have a 35 cam.
Thanks!
Kirk


Hi Kirk,

The Series 1's not much, I would put them on ebay with an opening bid of $100 & no reserve, with luck some people will bid high thinking they are worth a lot more.

I know someone who recently bought some Mitchell junk on Ebay for £450, 1 x BNCR, 1 x Newall plus some cooke SII's the SII's he sold on ebay for £700.

Stephen
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 08:41 AM

.............The 75mm is possibly a Cooke badged as B+H. The Ser II are always very yellow due to coatings decay, however this is a S1.


Ken Stone sold a 75mm Series II on eBay about two months ago. It was as clear as distilled water. I asked him about it and he said it had never been exposed to UV light. So there's at least one 75mm in the world that isn't yellow and a different theory as to why they yellow. My personal 75mm SII color tests almost exactly as if it were a #85 filter!
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 08:52 AM

What mount is this?
Are these Series I or II?


Hi-

They are either Mitchell standard or B&H 2709 mounts, the 2 are very similar, (but not interchangeable as I understand). My bet would be on 2709 as the little angle finders came from either a 2709 or Eyemo turret.

The 75mm might be a eyemo mount, it's hard to tell from the pix.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 09:32 AM

Ken Stone sold a 75mm Series II on eBay about two months ago. It was as clear as distilled water. I asked him about it and he said it had never been exposed to UV light. So there's at least one 75mm in the world that isn't yellow and a different theory as to why they yellow. My personal 75mm SII color tests almost exactly as if it were a #85 filter!


That whole coating thing is really weird. My Speed Panchro Ser II and Ser III set is pretty good, the 25mm Ser III and the 40mm Ser II are crystal clear, the 18mm Ser III and the 75mm Ser II have a very light straw tint, and the 32mm Ser II and the 50mm Ser II have a noticeable straw tint.

It's about the same with my Kinetal set. The 9mm is noticeable straw, the 12.5mm is pretty clear, the 17.5mm is faintly straw, the 25mm is a little less straw than the 9mm, and the 37.5mm is noticeable straw. The reason I don't have the 50mm in the Kinetal set is that I've never found one that is not an #85 or even darker, and I've looked at quite a few of them. Really a shame because they are really sharp lenses.

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#11 Henri Titchen

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:17 AM

Here is a link to info on other lenses with a yellow tint issue. I can't vouch for the method of "clearing" the tint.

http://photo.net/pen...ra-forum/00RYOO



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#12 Leo Anthony Vale

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:07 PM

The 75mm might be a eyemo mount, it's hard to tell from the pix.


An eyemo mount looks more like an arri standard mount.

I've no idea what mount that is.
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