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#1 Theo Berman

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 08:54 AM

Hey all,

On a previous red job i did the DIT set it up so that every time we changed drive the roll number also automatically went up by one.

Can anyone tell me how to set this as it definitely saves time on the reloads.

Many thanks,

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#2 Ryan McGregor

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 12:35 PM

I believe it is System>Media>Reset then you can reset the roll number to your next Roll, and I believe from there it should automatically count up every time you attach a new mag.
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#3 Theo Berman

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 12:54 PM

Thanks Ryan,

Not sure if i tried that route, normally go media>change>roll no. then format so will try your way tomorrow

Cheers

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#4 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 11:20 PM

Yeah, you reset/format one card/drive/roll, then when that roll is full all you gotta do is plug in the next card/drive and format (without reset), and it should automatically advance to the next roll number.
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#5 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 05:27 AM

The fact is, it doesn't always work. My AC's have had problems with this on a couple of shows. The DIT had no solution other than to change it manually. Just keep your eye out and make sure it changes when you want it to.
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#6 Mike Thorn

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 11:53 AM

I usually change it manually just to be absolutely sure that it increments, but I'm guessing it probably has something to do with properly ejecting the media.
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#7 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:29 AM

I usually change it manually just to be absolutely sure that it increments...

I do this too. For some reason, I've found the various cameras I use always want to reset to a random roll number after formatting. And if you're formatting in camera anyway, it only takes an extra three seconds to do it. Instead of "System>Media>Format", just go to "System>Media>Change>Mag#>Format". There are very rare instances where you just won't have the time to do it, but that's rather unusual.
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#8 Brie Walsh

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 07:30 PM

It seems to be a build error...
Any camera running Build 17 or above should have no problems with this, haven't run into it myself for a while now.

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#9 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:30 AM

It seems to be a build error...
Any camera running Build 17 or above should have no problems with this, haven't run into it myself for a while now?

Really? Cuz I just had to deal with this on Build 17 last week... Haven't played around with Build 18, 20 yet.
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#10 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 05:43 AM

We had constant problems with it on Build 17.
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#11 Chris Keth

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 10:36 PM

We had constant problems with it on Build 17.


I would just do it manually right now to save yourself for the moments of "did it advance or....ah hell I don't remember what roll we should be on now..."
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#12 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 14 July 2009 - 01:02 AM

I was on a shoot last month where we were shooting only to CF cards...had the rolls not advanced automatically, that would have been VERY annoying.

Is it only a problem with drives?
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Posted 15 July 2009 - 01:42 AM

I notice if you manually reset, and don't get it right (joystick not positioned properly) it will throw off the roll #.

Start of day, System->Media->Reset-.Reel#-> (start with "1")

Next card or drive, System->Media->Format->(you should automatically be set to 2)

Always check after format on LCD/Rear Screen/EVF, to see if your roll is correct.
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#14 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 03:30 AM

This should be an easy thing. But when a 1st AC, 2nd AC, DP, operator, and DIT can't figure it out, something aint right. It wasn't our first BBQ.
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Posted 15 July 2009 - 06:43 AM

Can anyone tell me how to set this as it definitely saves time on the reloads.


In the grand scheme of things, though, how much time are we talking about, 30 seconds worth of hassle?

I've never worked with RED, but can't you manually go in and change the number after the fact? Shoot a chart at the end with the roll number on it? Use sticky tape for a DIT who is transferring/backing up data to make sure they get it right?
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#16 Chris Keth

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 04:22 PM

In the grand scheme of things, though, how much time are we talking about, 30 seconds worth of hassle?

I've never worked with RED, but can't you manually go in and change the number after the fact? Shoot a chart at the end with the roll number on it? Use sticky tape for a DIT who is transferring/backing up data to make sure they get it right?


Yeah, you can easily do it manually. I haven't worked with a red for a couple months but when I last did, the automatic roll increase would do strange things sometimes. I just started doing it manually all the time.
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#17 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:00 AM

In the grand scheme of things, though, how much time are we talking about, 30 seconds worth of hassle?

More like an extra 5 seconds. 10 seconds max if you haven't worked with the camera in a while and forget where it is in the menu.

I've never worked with RED, but can't you manually go in and change the number after the fact?

You can't change roll #s in camera if you've already shot on the media. You would have to reformat it to do so. You may be able to do it to the media after its been dumped by renaming files, but I've never done it and feel very wary about doing so...
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#18 Theo Berman

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 07:47 AM

Cheers for the tips everyone.

This week i have tried both suggestions but to no avail (our camera is also on build 17) but what does annoy me about it is that the roll number it does reset to seems to be completely random each time so that sometimes it comes up 1 away from the last number and other times it will be 56 or something.

I would say that compared to the thing crashing and re-intializing mid take it is a minor glitch....
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