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#1 Andres Moret

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 08:21 PM

Hello everyone!

I'm new in this Forum and I've been reading some of the posts, and I think I will be a regular visitor!

I'm a filmmaking student in L.A and we were discussing in class one of the shots of Stardust Memories in which Gordon Willis was D.P:

The shot is at the begining of the film (min. 5) and it's a conversation between Woody Allen (in a car) and his secretary. She is sitting in an office with a very big picture of W.A.'s face behind her. Well, while watching it we realized that the image in the wall was a mix of shadows and reflections, in fact her silloutte is in shadow and the desk has a reflection.

Does anyone know how this was done? What did they use? Tinted glass?

Well, I hope any of you could give us a hand on this.

Thanks a lot,
Andres

Edited by Andres Moret, 07 August 2009 - 08:22 PM.

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#2 Chris Keth

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 03:04 AM

Could you post a still? I don't have a copy of the movie handy.
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#3 Andres Moret

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 03:58 AM

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Sure! I should have thought about that, sorry!
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#4 Hal Smith

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 07:43 AM

I'll email Doug Hart (1st AC on "Stardust") and see if he remembers the shot.
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#5 Patrick Neary

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 09:10 AM

Hi-

It will be interesting to hear how they did it- It looks like an impossible shadow, maybe a stand-in (in silhouette) was mimicking the actress?
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Posted 08 August 2009 - 11:33 AM

It's a very interesting shot, right?

Mr. Smith, yesterday while I was surfing cinematography.com I saw that Mr. Hart was a member and I emailed him too, the only thing I forgot to send him was the picture.

About the mimicking, seems very difficult, because the movements match perfectly.

If you don't have the movie, you can watch the clip on youtube:

Let's see if we get an answer for this mystery!

Thanks to you all!
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#7 Chris Keth

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 03:16 PM

After seeing the still and the clip, here is my idea of what's going on there.

That wall is dark colored and shiny like glass and the woman's "shadow" is really a reflection. They lit a wall, a silk, something white so you're seeing the lit surface in the reflection on that wall. That would cause the woman's reflection to go into silhouette (and look like a shadow, so long as the side of her toward the shiny wall was not lit too brightly) but that same lit white surface would glare off of the top of the polished wood desk and it would appear lit a little bit. You notice how only the desk appears lit in the reflection and not the phone or the notebook, which are still in silhouette; neither of them have sufficiently placed shiny surfaces for the light to reflect off of for them to also appear lit.
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Posted 08 August 2009 - 07:42 PM

About the mimicking, seems very difficult, because the movements match perfectly.


Hi-

That they do, even the phone cord which would have been a dead giveaway- can't wait to hear how it was done!
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#9 David Avila

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 05:28 AM

- can't wait to hear how it was done!


Mee too :blink: :blink:
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