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#1 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 01:48 PM

And there is now a trailer out:

http://www.apple.com.../fox/avatar/hd/


For some reason it kinda reminds me of Halo... or Cats in space on acid.... Dunno how I feel about the whole look of it from this. It's almost plastic feeling; akin to how I felt about the last Superman movie on the genesis.
I recall reading, somewhere, that it's supposedly the evolution of 3-D movies away from gimmicks, but if that's the case, I don't feel the trailer is selling it for me. Any other thoughts?
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 01:58 PM

And there is now a trailer out:

http://www.apple.com.../fox/avatar/hd/


For some reason it kinda reminds me of Halo... or Cats in space on acid.... Dunno how I feel about the whole look of it from this. It's almost plastic feeling; akin to how I felt about the last Superman movie on the genesis.
I recall reading, somewhere, that it's supposedly the evolution of 3-D movies away from gimmicks, but if that's the case, I don't feel the trailer is selling it for me. Any other thoughts?


My guess is, that unlike most trailers, which give away the farm and reveal all the best elements and shots of the movie, that Cameron is showing some restraint here with this 2D trailer. My bet is that this trailer is nothing but the tip of the iceberg in terms of the awesomeness we will all behold in December in 3D.

I have been waiting for DECADES for a good Sci-Fi movie that deals with outer space and alien worlds. The last good one was back in the 1970s/80s - Star Wars - so I am incredibly excited about this!
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#3 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 02:02 PM

See I was quite excited with the first few shots of the trailer and then the creature effects, I dunno; just don't quite sell for me. Still I'll be in line at the theater as I have a super soft spot for sci-fi as a former owner of far too much star trek paraphernalia (and really want to get one of the plushy vibrating tribbles I saw at FYE). Here's hoping you're right that there is something a lot more than the seeming love story/main control/war vibe going through the trailer.
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#4 Richard Vialet

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 04:00 PM

I think it looks pretty damn cool! And I too get a sense that the best stuff is to come and it probably looks amazing in IMAX
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 04:02 PM

Unless the story is something amazing, I'm afraid this looks like nothing more than a very expensive computer game.
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#6 Justin Hayward

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 05:02 PM

Unless the story is something amazing, I'm afraid this looks like nothing more than a very expensive computer game.


It's true. It looks like a very realistic cartoon. In a few years it'll look as dated as everything else.

What's really impressive how well a movie like "Blade Runner" holds up in comparison.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:23 AM

It's still just a trailer...

I think James Cameron has earned our trust, don't expect a complicated, twisted story but one thing he has proven: his stories work! Aliens wasn't too sophisticated on paper, either but it propably was one of the most effective, scariest roller-coaster-rides in cinematic history!

This man has done seven movies, except for a "akschn"-comedy-remake (True Lies) and Piranhas 2 ( :P ) all of them were ground-breaking! Who else has achieved that? Not even Scorsese and Spielberg are this constant!

The only thing that worries me is the technical aspect, he used Super35 because it was convenient in the 80s/90s, when it was still way behind anamorphic (grainy stock, soft lenses, optical transfer), now he uses some pretty primitive 2/3"-CCD-cams with about 600-800 lines resolution (Super16 can do that!) for a 300Mio$ IMAX-spectacle! He is the F/X-specialist who says you need to mix technologies to avoid catastrophies like Lucas'-work, wouldn't it be better to add a realistic touch to this "fantastic" pictures with proper cameras? He wanted to shoot 48fps, but that didn't work yet for his first movie since 12 years... :blink: But he HAD to use HD-cameras, because they're somehow the future and like 70mm (I can see even CA in the 720p-trailer!) :angry:
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 07:44 AM

There has been quite a lot of "it looks like this film + this video + this book + this album cover + on this drug" type statements so far regarding the film on the internet. I'm curious if this is an attempt to classify the film - to put it in a readily acceptable and known box.

I'm very excited about this film and I think it looks fantastic.

There are only a couple of films that I've worked on which I've being excited to see in the cinema - this is one of them.
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#9 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 08:12 AM

People certainly are picking it apart a bit:

http://www.latimes.c...58.photogallery

For me, I don't know; I am trying to put the film into a "box" of sorts for my own benefit so I can then choose whether or not I should spend my money and my time to go see it. It's a tough question to answer, and while I can respect the filmmaker and all the people who worked on the film (such as yourself will) that doesn't necessarily mean that the film proper is very good. Hell, 95% of the stuff I've worked on has turned to that too.
I think the problem with Avatar, also, might not be the film, but the marketing, especially this specific trailer which caught me for a moment then I wound up lost as it continued.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:49 AM

The negative reaction (well at least as far as the Internet goes) seems to be either "Is that it? I thought this was supposed to be ground breaking?" or "It looks like...".

I can understand the first reaction, but the later is a bit harder to figure out. I mean I doubt anyone who watched the Wolfman trailer sat down yesterday and made comparisons with From Hell - thriller set in Victorian England, Dr Who - because they had a werewolf episode, Che - Benicio Del Toro with lot's of hair and a beard, Queen Victoria - Emily Blunt in Victorian England, Harry Potter - they also had a werewolf transformation scene that was done by MPC.

Perhaps because I know what Avatar is about I'm less inclined to make these types of comparisons with it. Oh well.
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#11 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:57 AM

I think with other films there are perhaps fewer references to be made from trailers and the viewer has an idea what to expect. I think that, from this, we are left more-so grasping at straws as to what exactly is going on hence we begin to pull in the cultural references of "this is like," to help us not only understand but then re communicate it to others. (wanna share what it's really 'bout Will?)
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 03:06 PM

Just got back from the 20min screening and it looks a lot better in 3d, but the actionsequences would benefit from a higher framerate.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 03:47 PM

I had to stop myself, because the first thing that I thought was "It's like...". I guess you've helped me answer my own question.

To me I'd say it's a story about colonization.

I doubt that'll give you a new perspective on the trailer. But I don't really want to say too much, otherwise I'd be adding to the already over-established hype.
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#14 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 03:49 PM

Quite fair enough. It certainly does have a colonialist aspect to it in the trailer (marines and guns a blazin') I mean, I watched it again and yeah; I certainly am still going to go see it as I lust for sci-fi ;)
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 03:59 PM

After all of the Cameron hype I'm sure the look may underwhelm (whatever happened to photorealistic cgi?). For the most part I've tuned out the hype and the trailer got me excited to see this movie. I am familar with the general concept of the story so I knew what was happening in that lab, I'm not sure the general public would get it though. Aliens, space travel, portable consciousness, cool to see this stuff in a big epic movie.

Anyone else think the producers of 'Surrogates' are freaking brilliant? It's the same general conept as Avatar, excpet for robots ... or am I out in left field here.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 05:38 PM

I'm afraid the trailer indicates to me that Avatar suffers severely from Lucas Syndrome.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 06:26 PM

I bet some of the people dissing this trailer are going to change their tune significantly once the film comes out.
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Posted 22 August 2009 - 12:44 AM

I bet some of the people dissing this trailer are going to change their tune significantly once the film comes out.


Why?
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#19 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 12:54 AM

I bet some of the people dissing this trailer are going to change their tune significantly once the film comes out.



The online version doesn't do it justice. I got to see the 3D IMAX version of cut scenes tonight at The Bridge. It truly was amazing. It's more than a movie. It's an experience. I can't wait for the whole thing. :)
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Posted 22 August 2009 - 03:30 AM

I bet some of the people dissing this trailer are going to change their tune significantly once the film comes out.


I'd put money down on that. The bigger picture of what has been accomplished here isn't yet visible.

Phil, will you have some fries (or chips, as you know them) with those words? A little salt and pepper? ;)
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