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#1 Stephen Williams

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 03:45 PM

I was amused to log in today & see the following message

"You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified."


I had been asking about Epic specs 100fps @ 5K, pointing out Red One had a spec of 60fps @ 4k , I guess the truth hurts.

Brook Willard one of their moderators was banned last year when he laughed at one of their designs.

Stephen

Edit, I have sent Jim Jannard a link, the last communication I have from him is dated 01.01.2010
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#2 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 04:02 PM

I've been Banned from Reduser


Congratulations!
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#3 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 05:32 PM

On the bright side of things, perhaps the board on here might pick up with red-talk (in a civil and professional manner) if more folks get banned from red-user. Though that's a bit screwed up on their part.
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#4 Stephen Williams

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 05:48 PM

On the bright side of things, perhaps the board on here might pick up with red-talk (in a civil and professional manner) if more folks get banned from red-user. Though that's a bit screwed up on their part.


I received an email from a member yesterday who wrote:-
"I was actually thinking of starting a new thread on Cinematography.com, mentioning the possible need for pruning of some "dead wood", as in deleting folders for products that either no longer exist, or nobody seems interested in posting about anymore. You know, Kinetta, Dalsa, RED..."

:lol:
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#5 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 05:52 PM

Ha!
Well perhaps loose the two which no longer really exist. . .
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#6 Stephen Williams

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 05:56 PM

Ha!
Well perhaps loose the two which no longer really exist. . .


I think he was refering to the 3 new products RED RAY, EPIC & SCARLET that were to be released early 2009. EPIC & SCARLET are supposed to be 2010, no news on RED RAY.
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#7 David Rakoczy

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 06:44 PM

I have been banned from RedUser


How shameful! :rolleyes:
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#8 Keith Walters

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 06:49 PM

I was amused to log in today & see the following message

"You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified."


I had been asking about Epic specs 100fps @ 5K, pointing out Red One had a spec of 60fps @ 4k , I guess the truth hurts.

Brook Willard one of their moderators was banned last year when he laughed at one of their designs.

Stephen

Edit, I have sent Jim Jannard a link, the last communication I have from him is dated 01.01.2010

Oh dear. Any day now you'll have some weary and rather shopworn-looking private detective knocking on your door (while looking nervously around for surveillance cameras and not seeing them), carrying a letter obviously typed up by a junior in a law firm specializing in Intellectual property, that demands a written apology to a certain person, as like as not to be received before close of business "no later than" {two days previous to the date at the top of the letter}!

(The above scenario is fictional, but is based on actual events, that are even sillier).

Meanwhile Christopher Probst who has "so far used the Red to photograph more than 50 music videos and commercials." so he doesn't exactly sound like a die hard Red-Hater, writes an Article for American Cinematographer which was no more than a matter-of-fact discussion of traps and pitfalls of the RED one, and practical workarounds that are available, and all the Fanboys were baying for his blood.

"Red One Slammed in AC" as the indefatigable Mr Justic put it.
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#9 Keith Walters

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 06:51 PM

Congratulations!

One of these days I'm going to set up a Reduser account, just to see if I can beat Richard Boddington's 42 minute record for First Post to "The Last Post" :rolleyes:
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#10 Keith Walters

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 06:56 PM

"Red One Slammed in AC" as the indefatigable Mr Justic put it.

Actually he didn't say that, that was This Thread by Dan Graetz.
Also I spelled his name wrong. Jukic.
I'll send him a written apology three weeks ago :rolleyes:

Edited by Keith Walters, 02 February 2010 - 07:01 PM.

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#11 Stephen Williams

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 07:32 PM

Oh dear. Any day now you'll have some weary and rather shopworn-looking private detective knocking on your door (while looking nervously around for surveillance cameras and not seeing them), carrying a letter obviously typed up by a junior in a law firm specializing in Intellectual property, that demands a written apology to a certain person, as like as not to be received before close of business "no later than" {two days previous to the date at the top of the letter}!

(The above scenario is fictional, but is based on actual events, that are even sillier).


If they write in German the local launguage in Switzerland, I will post it here and ask for a translation.
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#12 Keith Walters

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 07:50 PM

If they write in German the local launguage in Switzerland, I will post it here and ask for a translation.



If ve do not receive ein written apology before the close of der business on Freitag…
First, ve will annex der Rhineland;
Zen ve will invade Poland;
Und zen ve vill attack der Soviet Union
Und zen … ve vill probably get der sheisse kicked out us by zer Englanders und der Americans again, BUT, ve vill haff made out point, I zinc.

So, chust you vatch it...

Edited by Keith Walters, 02 February 2010 - 07:51 PM.

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#13 Gus Sacks

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 08:39 PM

Meanwhile Christopher Probst who has "so far used the Red to photograph more than 50 music videos and commercials." so he doesn't exactly sound like a die hard Red-Hater, writes an Article for American Cinematographer which was no more than a matter-of-fact discussion of traps and pitfalls of the RED one, and practical workarounds that are available, and all the Fanboys were baying for his blood.

"Red One Slammed in AC" as the indefatigable Mr Justic put it.


That was actually a great article detailing all of the things people who actually work with the RED in real world environments have been dealing with since it debuted. Anyone who considers it a 'slam' is an a**hat.
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#14 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 08:45 PM

Agreed.
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 09:41 PM

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#16 Richard Boddington

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 11:42 PM

One of these days I'm going to set up a Reduser account, just to see if I can beat Richard Boddington's 42 minute record for First Post to "The Last Post" :rolleyes:


Are you sure I lasted that long? Jarred was pretty fast on the trigger for that one.

The hilarious thing was that I was able to re-register with another e-mail address within minutes, under a new name. Then I came on here and refused to tell Jarred who I really was :lol:

So feel free to do that Stephen, you naughty naughty boy!!

For Phil Rhodes on the other hand they have a shoot on site order at Red User :blink:

Just for the record I think Jim on a personal level is a good guy.

R,
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#17 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 12:52 AM

Christopher Probst does not deserve the scorn being heaped upon him over at RedUser for writing an article that was completely factual, just because it was too blunt and lacked a politically-correct happy spin to it.

People say "why didn't the magazine publish an article about other technologies and point out their faults equally?" Well, sure, we can all list the problems we've had with film cameras, labs, other digital cameras, but the real question is whether the Red One in its first two years of existence was any more problematical than typical filmmaking gear or not?

My own experience says that the Red One was somewhat buggier overall than a Genesis, let's say, but not enough to not use the Red One, and not as bad as its detractors would say. But I can't say it was no different either than using any other camera system. It was more problematic to use. And Jim Jannard himself has admitted that the camera and the company are a work-in-progress.

What really matters today is that Red's technology keeps improving. Even though all the builds and changes can get tiring or annoying, a change towards the better is always preferable to the status quo. And the end result of all of that toil, with the new MX sensor, is a seriously good digital camera now.

A lot of people have claimed that the Red One made shooting in 35mm obsolete. My feeling was that the generation or two after the Red One and Genesis would be more of a true competitor and replacement to 35mm. Though I think that film will always have uniquely special qualities to it, and will remain unmatched in dynamic range, I also feel that probably with the future Epics and ARRI Alexa, people will be happy enough with their pictures that they won't be missing film as much as they currently are when they can't shoot it. With these upcoming cameras, the dynamic range and resolution will be high enough then to create an impressive image on the big screen. And then the generation after the Epic and Alexa will probably be the final nail in the coffin for film, except for perhaps special uses. Don't quote me on that though, I don't like playing the prediction game too seriously.

But it's the honesty of the users in reporting problems that forces these manufacturers to improve their products, so we need people like Christopher or Stephen to keep being blunt and direct as long as they aren't unfair or inaccurate.
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Posted 03 February 2010 - 01:42 AM

Don't worry, Stephen, you'll be back in action at reduser soon, I'm sure. :lol:
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#19 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 02:13 AM

Isn't there an industry saying, "you know you've made it if you've been banned at Reduser," or something like that? ;)
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#20 Stephen Williams

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 02:13 AM

What really matters today is that Red's technology keeps improving. Even though all the builds and changes can get tiring or annoying, a change towards the better is always preferable to the status quo. And the end result of all of that toil, with the new MX sensor, is a seriously good digital camera now.


Hi David,

In the same thread I had written "MX is most impressive, would be happy to shoot with a camera with one installed."
As Deanen pointed out "Actually, 4k at 60fps does get used in open gate mode to drive the evf at double rate." so I am sure if I asked very nicely RED could sell me a RED One with a RAW port & 4K enabled.

Stephen
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