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#1 David Calson

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 01:15 PM

I've been watching some behind the scenes stuff of some movies. And I see this alot, the grip will be just behind the operator, following him, with like a 4x4 solid or a double. Is this a courtesy flag for the operator, or negative frontal fill, something else?

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#2 Sanjay Sami

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 01:32 PM

I've been watching some behind the scenes stuff of some movies. And I see this alot, the grip will be just behind the operator, following him, with like a 4x4 solid or a double. Is this a courtesy flag for the operator, or negative frontal fill, something else?

Thanks.


What is the operator doing? Is he a steadicam operator? If so it may be a windbreak.
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#3 Chris Keth

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 02:44 PM

What is the operator doing? Is he a steadicam operator? If so it may be a windbreak.


Or cutting light from the steadicam monitor.
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#4 Kar Wai Ng

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 02:49 PM

Or preventing camera shadow.
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#5 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 02:53 PM

Or justifying his paycheck ;)
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#6 David Calson

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 02:57 PM

Dang I forgot if it's handheld or steadicam, I'll see if I can sift through all the footage again.
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#7 Jon Rosenbloom

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 09:15 AM

Must be a windbreak for a steadi-cam.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 05:40 PM

I've been watching some behind the scenes stuff of some movies. And I see this alot, the grip will be just behind the operator, following him, with like a 4x4 solid or a double. Is this a courtesy flag for the operator, or negative frontal fill, something else?

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Probably a flag to cut off light so the camera operator can see it more clearly. and go to 16:12 and I believe this is what he is talking about.
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#9 Ryan Lalonde

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 06:06 PM

I would say it's a windbreak but it also could be helping with an iris pull.
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#10 Rob Vogt

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:20 PM

Also could be to cut reflections if the subject or area of focus has black reflective surfaces.
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#11 Jeremy M Lundborg

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 01:36 AM

I was also going to ask this question and pulled out the attached for clarification. I seem to see it most often with steadicam, although I'm not sure of its use beyond the possibilities suggested in this thread.
Still is from August 2010 American Cinematographer article on Salt.

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#12 robert duke

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 02:07 AM

the double net serves as a wind block without acting as a negative fill. it assists the steadicam op in keeping control of the balance in the wind.
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#13 Sanjay Sami

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 05:58 AM

I was also going to ask this question and pulled out the attached for clarification. I seem to see it most often with steadicam, although I'm not sure of its use beyond the possibilities suggested in this thread.
Still is from August 2010 American Cinematographer article on Salt.


The double net is used as a wind break for the steadicam. It is preferable to use net rather than a solid for 2 reasons.
The first is that the grips can clearly see through the net what the operator is doing, so their coordination will be better. The second, and more important, is that the net diffuses the wind rather than blocking it. Blocking the wind with a solid, would create turbulence around and under the frame, which will create unpredictable wind action on the rig. This is the most important reason for using nets rather than solids.
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#14 Sanjay Sami

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 06:40 AM

BTW, the steadicam operator on "Salt" is Scott Sakamoto, a truly phenomenal operator.
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#15 Jeremy M Lundborg

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 02:01 AM

The double net is used as a wind break for the steadicam. It is preferable to use net rather than a solid for 2 reasons.
The first is that the grips can clearly see through the net what the operator is doing, so their coordination will be better. The second, and more important, is that the net diffuses the wind rather than blocking it. Blocking the wind with a solid, would create turbulence around and under the frame, which will create unpredictable wind action on the rig. This is the most important reason for using nets rather than solids.


Great explanation, thank you!
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#16 John David Miller

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 10:31 PM

Usually a 4x double net or solid is used to stop wind from effecting the camera during a stedicam shot.

Smaller solid flags are used to keep unwanted light out of the lens to stop flaring.

Many times a white poly bounce will be used to fill a subect on the move or a solid flag may produce negative fill to add contrast.

There can be many reasons...
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