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#1 julien doumenjou

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 10:53 AM

Hi, anybody know where I can process Kodachrome 40?

I just shoot a short fiction with a friend of mine who's in a filmaking-school, she got the rolls from her professor, he didn't tell her it was hard to find a place to process nor how old was the films. He sold the rolls 20$ each. Was it fare? I wonder...
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#2 Mark Dunn

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:01 AM

You don't say where you are, but process-paid K40 mailers are still being accepted in Europe. You send then straight to Lausanne now and the forward to Dwayne's. In the US, you can still send them (with payment) direct to Dwayne's. They stop running K40 this autumn.
You'd think a tutor wouldn't cheat his students, but why did he sell them unboxed? The expiry date is on the box. A few years isn't too bad if they've been kept well, but I might want to test for an important project.
Good luck, It's great stock. I haven't shot super-8 since K40 went and I doubt I will again.
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#3 julien doumenjou

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:33 AM

The expiry date is on the box.


I understand now why she got the film without the boxes! Damn! I didn't check anything because the films came from a school I thought I could trust. I used it already. I'm in US so I'll go for Dwayne's. Thanks for that. I wonder how it's gonna look like!
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#4 alexandros petin

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:52 AM

Are process paid mailers. the yellow envelopes still accepted in europe???

where do we send these? i have three sitting around

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#5 Chris Maness

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:09 PM

The expiry date is on the box.


I understand now why she got the film without the boxes! Damn! I didn't check anything because the films came from a school I thought I could trust. I used it already. I'm in US so I'll go for Dwayne's. Thanks for that. I wonder how it's gonna look like!


Kodachrome is a hardy stock. I shot a role 5 years ago, and just had it processed, and it looked incredible.

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#6 Freya Black

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:29 PM

You don't say where you are, but process-paid K40 mailers are still being accepted in Europe. You send then straight to Lausanne now and the forward to Dwayne's. In the US, you can still send them (with payment) direct to Dwayne's. They stop running K40 this autumn.


Are you sure this is true? I thought maybe that was true for stills but not cine film?
There was a big hoo-ha about making the deadline at the time?

Would love if it was the case as I have a roll of process paid 16mm and didn't make the deadline with it!

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#7 Alessandro Machi

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 01:36 PM

I haven't shot super-8 since K40 went and I doubt I will again.


Why?
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#8 Andries Molenaar

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 01:37 PM

European Kodachrome ciné prepaid mailers have not been accepted for years. You need to send the films directly to Dwayne's labs before end of 2010 or use a service like Wittner's which is better if you have only 1 or 2 films.

BTW Kodachrome 135 cassettes are still handled by the Swiss office and just are sent to the lab in USA

Edited by Andries Molenaar, 14 April 2010 - 01:39 PM.

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#9 Alessandro Machi

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 01:40 PM

It's kind of sad how the discussion is more about getting something for free than just paying for the processing. All the time and postage that is going to be wasted not just by the filmmaker, but by all the service people dealing with the film at every step of the way, just in the hopes of getting a few rolls of kodachrome film processed for free?

It's not really free if it takes such an effort.

http://www.super-8mm.com and http://www.super-8mm.net should have updated information on processing kodachrome forty film, the final deadline appears to be near the end of 2010.
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#10 alexandros petin

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:23 PM

It's kind of sad how the discussion is more about getting something for free than just paying for the processing. All the time and postage that is going to be wasted not just by the filmmaker, but by all the service people dealing with the film at every step of the way, just in the hopes of getting a few rolls of kodachrome film processed for free?

It's not really free if it takes such an effort.

http://www.super-8mm.com and http://www.super-8mm.net should have updated information on processing kodachrome forty film, the final deadline appears to be near the end of 2010.


Its kind of sad that some people don't understand that for some people free process for even one roll could be nice and important for their personal monthly income.
Also btw there are people that have to go to the post, to send their films for processing because there are no labs that process super 8 film in their country.

Such an effort...
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#11 Tim Halloran

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:35 PM

Are you sure this is true? I thought maybe that was true for stills but not cine film?
There was a big hoo-ha about making the deadline at the time?

Would love if it was the case as I have a roll of process paid 16mm and didn't make the deadline with it!

love

Freya

http://www.dwaynesph...kodachrome.html

From the Dwayne's site: "Please note: current plans are to discontinue the processing of Kodachrome Movie Film at the end of December 2010."

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#12 Andries Molenaar

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:54 AM

http://www.dwaynesph...kodachrome.html

From the Dwayne's site: "Please note: current plans are to discontinue the processing of Kodachrome Movie Film at the end of December 2010."

Tim


Tricky too speculate but...
This strictly means that by demand or other factors the end-date could be postponed :)
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#13 Freya Black

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 09:03 AM

It's kind of sad how the discussion is more about getting something for free than just paying for the processing. All the time and postage that is going to be wasted not just by the filmmaker, but by all the service people dealing with the film at every step of the way, just in the hopes of getting a few rolls of kodachrome film processed for free?

It's not really free if it takes such an effort.


It's not really free anyway, I paid for it. Thats why it's called "process paid".
It's about the extent to which Kodak are prepared to honour that commitment and from a practical viewpoint they have to have some kind of point beyond which they draw the line.

Some of us are just checking we have the right info. I've been trying to find out where to send my still kodachrome film for some time now as I thought the lab in switzerland was completely closed. So at least I know where to send it now. It's preety annoying if you end up with really expensive film that you end up having to just chuck in the bin.

It may also end up that way with some of the Kodachrome movie film I have. A great shame but it's a case of having the money and getting the film shot.

I'm trying to allocate some money just to Kodachrome this year as it is a difficult time, so it's very upsetting about the plus-x news just now as my funds are already allocated.

It's just really difficult as I have very limited resources just now.

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#14 Alessandro Machi

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 12:16 PM

Its kind of sad that some people don't understand that for some people free process for even one roll could be nice and important for their personal monthly income.
Also btw there are people that have to go to the post, to send their films for processing because there are no labs that process super 8 film in their country.

Such an effort...


I think it is great that you may be on a fixed income but still are a filmmaker and are active.

My point is is we shouldn't be advocating this mailer procedure as a "freebie". It is not a freebie. Several companies, services, their paid employees, their time, all must get involved to give the customer with an yellow mailer something for "free".

For those that can pay, paying and appreciating that the service exists is what matters more than pretending there is an imaginary free service that just magically exists.
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#15 alexandros petin

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 12:44 PM

I think it is great that you may be on a fixed income but still are a filmmaker and are active.

My point is is we shouldn't be advocating this mailer procedure as a "freebie". It is not a freebie. Several companies, services, their paid employees, their time, all must get involved to give the customer with an yellow mailer something for "free".

For those that can pay, paying and appreciating that the service exists is what matters more than pretending there is an imaginary free service that just magically exists.


I didn't say im on a fixed income.

About the mailers it was a question of clarification. By asking it isn't a try to trick, disrespect or get a free job done by the Dwaynes working people. I am pretty sure that if it was true, the yellow mailers process, the Dwaynes would trade the envelopes for money from Kodak, and as Freya Black says at some point we paid for it. Since the deadline is gone we have to pay.
Those than can or cant pay, pay by sacrificing or not other things to have fun or make art with film.
FREE is long time dead.

I really don't understand what this sensitivity regarding the respect for the working people etc, which i share and advocate, has to do with the thread.

End of 2010 we have to hurry. But since there lots of k40 around ebay i suspect theres gone be an update to the deadline.
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#16 Freya Black

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 04:49 PM

My point is is we shouldn't be advocating this mailer procedure as a "freebie". It is not a freebie. Several companies, services, their paid employees, their time, all must get involved to give the customer with an yellow mailer something for "free".


No they do NOT, the customer actually pays for all this, which is why it was called process paid film. In fact there is an argument that perhaps Kodak should refund those people with unused mailers.

Non the less most people are not complaining they are instead working to get up to date info and to work with the newest situation. I see nothing wrong with that.

I'm not sure where you have got the idea that the mailer system was a freebie. They were always referred to as process paid film and you always paid a premium for this.

There are not several companies involved just Dwaynes and Kodak. Kodak outsource the european processing to Dwaynes as it was cheaper than keeping the swiss plant open. A cost cutting exercise.

Dwaynes have never processed the film for free, even in the U.S. Kodak have always paid them for this.

In turn the customer has always had to pay extra for process paid film.

It's not nice to insinuate that honest people who have paid for a service are out to get something for nothing, and are trying to swindle the system in some way. This is clearly not the case.

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Edited by Freya Black, 17 April 2010 - 04:51 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 07:17 PM

It's not really free anyway, I paid for it. Thats why it's called "process paid".
It's about the extent to which Kodak are prepared to honour that commitment and from a practical viewpoint they have to have some kind of point beyond which they draw the line.

Some of us are just checking we have the right info. I've been trying to find out where to send my still kodachrome film for some time now as I thought the lab in switzerland was completely closed. So at least I know where to send it now. It's preety annoying if you end up with really expensive film that you end up having to just chuck in the bin.

It may also end up that way with some of the Kodachrome movie film I have. A great shame but it's a case of having the money and getting the film shot.

I'm trying to allocate some money just to Kodachrome this year as it is a difficult time, so it's very upsetting about the plus-x news just now as my funds are already allocated.

It's just really difficult as I have very limited resources just now.

love

Freya



Hi, kodak gave us plenty of notice back in 2005/6 regarding the deadline for super 8 k40 processing, September 2006 was cut off for super 8 cartridge processing (k40) and Dec 2006 for 8mm, ds-8 and 16mm kodachrome. Yes we've all trumped up for process paid kodachrome, in my case 100 plus rolls of ds-8 and 16mm kodachrome. I'm surprised that you found it difficult to locate the only k14 lab left in the world. The lab in Switzerland is closed, my understanding is they will only accept pre-paid slide film ( which is forwarded to Dwayne's ). All cine formats should be sent direct to Dwayne's irrespective if they are European process paid, something i've been doing since Jan 2007..

Good Luck with your kodachrome, hope you mange to expose some of your stock, you have till Dec 2010, after that its the end of the kodachrome era :(
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#18 Freya Black

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 10:57 AM

I'm surprised that you found it difficult to locate the only k14 lab left in the world. The lab in Switzerland is closed, my understanding is they will only accept pre-paid slide film ( which is forwarded to Dwayne's ). All cine formats should be sent direct to Dwayne's irrespective if they are European process paid, something i've been doing since Jan 2007..


I didn't find it difficult to locate Dwaynes, what I found difficult was finding up to date info on slide film processing, which I now know goes to switzerland. I just assumed it didn't as I knew the swiss lab was closed but had no idea what the procedure was for getting my slide film processed.

Good Luck with your kodachrome, hope you mange to expose some of your stock, you have till Dec 2010, after that its the end of the kodachrome era :(


Yes to be honest I was a bit gutted when I couldn't make the deadline for all my film and Dwaynes didn't seem that practical as it was U.S. cheques and well concealed cash at the time but I now note they are very organised and have a whole paypal based procedure which is great! I definitely plan to get my remaining Kodachrome processed before the 2010 deadline!

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#19 Jim Gibbons

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:19 PM

I had a roll processed at dwaynes about two months ago. It was from the late 80s and looked AWFUL. I'm certain it was the film since it was not in a box or the foil wrapper. I will say Dewaynes is processing Kodachrome until the end of Dec 2010. Here's a link... http://www.dwaynesphoto.com/ I
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#20 Bengt Freden

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 06:02 AM

Hi all,

Shoot your remaining Kodachrome K40A Super 8 cartridges or 16mm rolls NOW, and send them directly to Dwayne's Photo for processing. The end of December 2010 is the final deadline.

I am going to use up ALL the Super 8 and 16mm Kodachrome I have left in the freezer this summer, while the outdoors light is good. I have some rolls from the early 90s, which I will use up, too, because Kodachrome is basically a black & white film and the yellow, magenta and cyan color dyes are added at the processing stage.
I will take them out of the freezer about a month before I will use them, which is NOW.

When Kodachrome is gone for ever I am going to miss it. When K40A is gone, we will have no really sharp, fine-grained color reversal film. Ektachrome 100D is not sharp enough, in my opinion. I will probably shoot 200T instead, or Pro8mm's packings of 50D or 100T. Velvia 50 is much too saturated in my way of seeing colors and people everywhere report problems with jitter from the emulsion and cartridges. I shot my first Super 8 cartridges of Kodachrome IIA in the summer 1969 with a Mirage M8 and they still look as brand new, thanks to the highly sophisticated Kodachrome subtractive color process.
The only problem is that the film base has shrunk a little bit more in the middle than along the edges, which makes the film curve sideways when projected.
I am also going miss the beautiful, fine-grained KODAK Plus-X Reversal 7265, which is sadly going to be discontinued in BOTH the Super 8 and 16mm formats this spring. I am going to buy all the rolls I can afford.

Who knows when it's time for Tri-X? It is really important to have good black & white material for a creative cinematic expression.

If the KODAK people really knew what they were doing, they would give us the most fine-grained, high-resolution material available for the tiny Super 8 format, like Vision2 50D and 100T, and keep the fine-grained Plus-X. Instead we have Vision3 500T and Tri-X, which are both grainy as hell.
Still, it's very nice that we have Super 8 film at all, in this day and age.

All the best,
Bengt Fredén, photographer
Stockholm, Sweden

Edited by Bengt Freden, 10 May 2010 - 06:03 AM.

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