Lenses for the original Arriflex 35mm
Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:44 PM
So, can these 16mm lenses be used on on my Arriflex 35? I can't ever seem to find any 35mm lenses being sold, so I'm hoping they are interchangeable. If not, what exactly is the difference between what is seen in the above link, and the standard mount my camera has? And where can I find actual 35mm lenses that are sold by someone reputable (not ebay)?
Also, does anyone know what kind of mount the lens in the attached photo is? Someone gave me this lens, telling me it was also Arri standard mount, which it obviously isn't.
As you can see by now, I'm confused as hell. Any clearing up of the facts for me would be fantastic. Thanks!
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 08:59 PM
Congrats on your new Arriflex 35mm camera. The lens issue can get confusing. Let me see if I can help clear things up.
There are three popular ARRI mounts. The first was the ARRI standard mount, which it sounds like you have on your camera. There is also the ARRI Bayonet mount, which is what the mount is on the lens you have pictured above. And finally, their newest mount is the ARRI PL mount.
If all three lens sockets on your camera's turret are the same, then you have three ARRI standard mounts. If one of the three is different, and made of stainless steel, then you have a later turret on your camera, and that stainless steel lens socket is for ARRI bayonet mount lenses, the other two sockets are ARRI standard mount.
The mount on the lens you linked to on eBay is an ARRI standard mount. You want to look for lenses with that mount on them. BUT, you want to look for 35mm ARRI standard mount lenses, not 16mm ARRI standard mount lenses. It gets a little confusing. But many 16mm ARRI standard mount lenses won't fit into your lens sockets because of clearance problems, and the ones that won't fit, also won't cover the full 35mm image area. So avoid those. That lens you linked to on eBay would fall into this category.
Here's a partial list of 16mm and 35mm lenses that come in ARRI standard mount. Hopefully others can add to this list:
16mm (Will not work on your camera):
Schneider 10mm, 16mm, 25mm
Cooke Kinetal 9mm, 12.5mm, 17.5mm, 25mm, 37.5mm, 50mm, 75mm (though I have heard the 75mm Kinetal will work on the Arriflex 35)
Zeiss 8mm, 10-100 Zoom
Angenieux 12-120 Zoom
35mm (Will work on your camera)
Schneider 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm
Cooke Speed Panchro 18mm, 25mm, 32mm, 40mm, 50mm, 75mm
Zeiss 16mm Distagon (I think but I have never tried it), 24mm, 50mm, 85mm
Hope that gets you started.
Posted 30 May 2010 - 12:51 AM
For visual reference: In recent years "Milk" and "Golden Door" were shot with Speed Panchro II and III's. They used lenses rehoused in modern PL mounts but the glass is the same as Arri standard mount Panchros. They were used for their unique "old school" look. They're a bit soft by current standards (compared to lenses costing thousands and thousands of dollars) but still plenty good enough to shoot a movie slated for wide distribution. There were hundreds of movies shot with Speed Panchros "in the day" that with good prints and/or DVD/BluRay transfers stand up well against anything shot today.
Posted 30 May 2010 - 07:07 AM
I know you're a lover of these old Arriflex 35 II cameras, as am I. Saw this accompanying the story of Dennis Hopper passing. Thought you might enjoy.
Also, my Speed Panchro set has found a new life in the digital world. Having lots of fun.
Posted 30 May 2010 - 07:31 PM
I do, of course, have some follow up questions. Do you gents know any place that one could find adapters that would allow an Arri bayonet mount lens to be used with an Arri standard mount? I've got this 12-120 T2.5 Angenieux lens (bayonet) that I can't do a thing with, but the glass is gorgeous and it seems a shame to let it just go to waste.
Aside from my Arriflex 35, I've noticed that there are adapters that will allow a bayonet lens to be used in a PL mount. Are there any rules of thumb about using more than one adapter to connect a lens and camera? What I'm getting at here is that I have Canon 7D, and there are PL adapters for that. So, is it possible to use two adapters, one to make my bayo lens PL mountable, and another to connect that to my 7D, without any inherent problems?
Again, I thank you guys for your help.
USC School of Cinematic Arts