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#1 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 08:34 PM

In a world where home-grown product can be outdone by this, you can understand how nobody in the UK wants to make films anymore.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...t-arts-12093855
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#2 Richard Boddington

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:21 PM

Come on Phil, Little Fockers has swept the Oscar nominations and is destined to be a classic. It is well deserving of its box office success.

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#3 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:50 PM

Come on Phil, Little Fockers has swept the Oscar nominations and is destined to be a classic. It is well deserving of its box office success.

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But Richard, I thought "Little Fockers" was specifically mentioned in the Book of Revelations as one of the signs of the Apocalypse. Just you wait, it will earn 666 million at the box office...
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#4 Ravi Kiran

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:26 AM

I thought that was spelled with a "U" in England...
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#5 Richard Boddington

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:05 AM

But Richard, I thought "Little Fockers" was specifically mentioned in the Book of Revelations as one of the signs of the Apocalypse. Just you wait, it will earn 666 million at the box office...


Oh my gosh I know something David Mullen doesn't know, it's the Book Of Revelation. There is no "s" on the end. :D

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#6 John Sprung

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:08 AM

I thought that was spelled with a "U" in England...


As a family name, the correct spelling is Fokker:

http://en.wikipedia..../Anthony_Fokker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker





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#7 Adam Ouellette

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:31 AM

That is very depressing news. Who goes to see these movies anyway?
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#8 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 10:16 AM

Meh, sometimes there's nothing wrong with simple laughter/joy.
I forget what movie it was--- Finding Forrester perhaps?--- where Sean Connery describes the comic strips as his "dessert," and it's much the same with films like this.
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#9 Freya Black

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 10:39 AM

Meh, sometimes there's nothing wrong with simple laughter/joy.
I forget what movie it was--- Finding Forrester perhaps?--- where Sean Connery describes the comic strips as his "dessert," and it's much the same with films like this.


Yeah but too much dessert can be bad for you!

Hey it's not just imported films tho. The remakes of St Trinnians have been massive smash hits, making $12 million at the UK box Office. Duncan Jones moon OTOH, took $10 million worldwide and is now unlikely to break even. So you might be thinking, perhaps we have to make serious sci-fi films cheaper, that $5 million was too much for moon, how about a sci-fi movie made for $0.5 million! Tough to achieve maybe but Gareth managed to pull it off with "Monsters", however so far this too is doing really badly getting close to its box office run and only making 0.25 million. Bit of a disaster really.

The truth is that people like dessert a bit too much and can end up making it their entire diet, especially when times are bad. I should know I went through my own bad times on a severe chocolate diet. My teeth are not well from the experience tho making a slow recovery.
What can you do?

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#10 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 10:51 AM

In a world where home-grown product can be outdone by this, you can understand how nobody in the UK wants to make films anymore.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...t-arts-12093855



I don't know the answer to this question so it's not meant to be fascetious, but what was the last Made-in-the-UK movie to have A-list talent like DeNiro in them?

"Popular" movies aren't always about QUALITY movies. Hell, people buy McDonald's food like it's going out of style, but that's not good for anyone either. It isn't top quality, doesn't really taste THAT good and is ultimately bad for you too. But it's like candy. It's cheap and LOTS of people love that more often than splurging on a seven course steak dinner at a five star restaurant.

The term "European film" has that connotation of being "meaningful" and "artsy." Yeah, maybe the stories ARE better in the end, but humanity as a whole isn't the brightest mammal group in the universe when it comes to choosing what's best for it. (look at how people vote, for christ's sake! American's in particular generally vote against their own best interests)

So yeah, ideally, we'd have MORE "meaningful" "artsy" movies that also had that superficial/candy appeal that so many Joe-Six-Packs out there flock to, but big-money financiers gravitate toward the safe bet, the sequel or remake that has proven talent involved.

The methodology makes sense on one level, but when any reasonable person steps back to look at the reality, it's all so utterly stupid. What's the answer? Perhaps if we force-fed 'society" thousands of "meaningful" "artsy" movies instead of "popcorn flicks" for a generation or two, then society could be retrained to appreciate quality. But with the all-powerful "Free Market" ideology running (and/or ruining) our lives and civilization, that isn't likely to happen anytime soon and we'll all have to endure the days when dumb comedies rule the box-office.


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#11 Mark Williams

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 10:56 AM

In a world where home-grown product can be outdone by this, you can understand how nobody in the UK wants to make films anymore.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...t-arts-12093855


Maybe it's to do with Promotion? A bad film can promise a lot with a good trailer. I saw Clash of the Titans trailer and unfortunatly watched it... Problem is you can't tell if a film is good unless you go see it and critics often get it wrong.

Harry Brown was to my mind a fantastic film and the director only made one short film previously.
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#12 Freya Black

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 11:13 AM

I don't know the answer to this question so it's not meant to be fascetious, but what was the last Made-in-the-UK movie to have A-list talent like DeNiro in them?


I guess depends what you call A list talent? Kevin Spacey and Sam Rockwell were in moon but I'm not sure they count as A or not?

I suspect we can't afford A list here, esp as it would prob mean importing them.

It will be intresting to see how source code does. It stars Jake Gyllenhaal, Michelle Monaghan, Vera Farmiga. They are famous ppl right? Unfortunately it is a US production. The female lead is very preety and conventional looking and not at all what I imagined from the script, that will probably be great for the box office tho. I mean moon features a very scruffy looking boy with a messy beard schluming around in his overalls and basically on his last legs, oh yeah and a robot.

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#13 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 11:27 AM

I guess depends what you call A list talent?



A-list Talent = Actors who will attract Joe-Six-Pack his trashy wife and their brood to buy tickets, eat too much popcorn and drink a gallon of over-priced Coca Cola whilst talking through the entire movie as if the theater was their own living room.


"Award winning" does not necessarily equate with "A-List." To my knowledge, Pauly Shore never won any awards, but damn, that guy was popular for awhile. Same with Steven Seagal, Arnold (doesn't need a last name), Sly (again, no last name required, Angelina (again, no last name required).... (see a trend?)


Is this inherently "bad"? Not necessarily. Movies ARE, after all, just products to make and sell, like anything else on store shelves. Do people NEED toilet paper? No, but it makes their lives that much easier and pleasant. Do people NEED to see Little Fockers? Same answer. But by the same token, they don't NEED to see Citizen Kane either. Seeing a movie is just something else to do for most people when they want to get out of the house and the bowling alley is all booked up. Most people don't spend $10 bucks a ticket to learn or be preached to. They just want a couple hours of mindless entertainment that makes them laugh because their own family isn't really that entertaining at home.
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#14 Richard Boddington

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 11:32 AM

Also Phil, don't forget that there will be lot's of hand wringing on this side of the Atlantic if The King's Speech sweeps the Oscars. Everyone in Hollywood gets nervous whenever the British come up with a period piece movie, filled with extravagant sets and costumes. The Academy just LOVES those films. :)

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#15 Freya Black

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 11:52 AM

A-list Talent = Actors who will attract Joe-Six-Pack his trashy wife and their brood to buy tickets, eat too much popcorn and drink a gallon of over-priced Coca Cola whilst talking through the entire movie as if the theater was their own living room.

"Award winning" does not necessarily equate with "A-List." To my knowledge, Pauly Shore never won any awards, but damn, that guy was popular for awhile. Same with Steven Seagal, Arnold (doesn't need a last name), Sly (again, no last name required, Angelina (again, no last name required).... (see a trend?)


So I guess Jake Gyllenhaal doesn't really count then, although Johnny Depp doesn't work without the last name either tho, I mean if you said "Herrrrrees Johnny!", you wouldn't neccesarily think of Johnny Depp but he must be A list right?

Also The tourist (Johnny Depp, Angelina Jolie, Paul Bettany, Timothy Dalton) is not doing very well at the box office as we speak.

Finally the St Trinnians remake that did so well, genrally featured a bunch of acting professionals you had never heard of ever!

So I'm not sure it's just the acting talent but I think that helps.

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Edited by Freya Black, 31 December 2010 - 11:53 AM.

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#16 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:03 PM

Oh my gosh I know something David Mullen doesn't know, it's the Book Of Revelation. There is no "s" on the end. :D

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I was referring to the sequel, also known as "Revelation 2: Electric Boogaloo".
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#17 Freya Black

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:06 PM

Is this inherently "bad"? Not necessarily. Movies ARE, after all, just products to make and sell, like anything else on store shelves. Do people NEED toilet paper? No, but it makes their lives that much easier


Sorry Brian, gotta disagree with you, I definitely NEED toilet paper. For me thats up there with paying the rent and I get nervous if theres a bunch of bank holidays and I'm getting close to my last roll. Thats really high on my list of needs. Seriously, it just never occured to Maslow because it was just such a base totally important thing.

and pleasant. Do people NEED to see Little Fockers? Same answer. But by the same token, they don't NEED to see Citizen Kane either. Seeing a movie is just something else to do for most people when they want to get out of the house and the bowling alley is all booked up. Most people don't spend $10 bucks a ticket to learn or be preached to. They just want a couple hours of mindless entertainment that makes them laugh because their own family isn't really that entertaining at home.


Bowling alley=not big here.

Never thought of using the family as entertainment, thats an interesting and curious idea. I don't think we do that over here either tho.

To be fair to what you are basically saying tho, the chocolate did really help me. I didn't take any anti depressants or anything, so I think there is an argument for lots of dessert.

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#18 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:18 PM

Also Phil, don't forget that there will be lot's of hand wringing on this side of the Atlantic if The King's Speech sweeps the Oscars. Everyone in Hollywood gets nervous whenever the British come up with a period piece movie, filled with extravagant sets and costumes. The Academy just LOVES those films. :)

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See, what "the Academy" REALLY loves are "important" movies that "Hollywood" (studio execs) would NEVER agree to finance. As soon as the Academy hands out an award, that movie BECOMES a "Hollywood" movie no matter where it was made. So, "Hollywood" benefits from other people taking risks on "important" "art movies" and gets the credit. Perfect system, eh?
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#19 Ravi Kiran

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:50 PM

Meh, sometimes there's nothing wrong with simple laughter/joy.


I agree, but even light, unchallenging movies don't have to be mediocre. Even if the audience is meant to turn their brains off while watching a film, filmmakers shouldn't turn their brains off while making it.

This is all cyclical. Some crap film will top the box office, and everyone will whine about how the audience's tastes are going down the toilet. Then a good film will make a ton of money and we'll get a deluge of articles about how the audience's tastes are becoming more high-brow.

Edited by Ravi Kiran, 31 December 2010 - 12:51 PM.

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#20 Richard Boddington

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:04 PM

PT Barnum once famously said: "You'll never go broke underestimating the taste of the public"

This author seems to agree with Phil:

http://www.1115.org/...merican-public/

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