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#1 badrish

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 03:28 AM

Hi fellow filmmakers,

I am going to shoot my thesis film in Mumbai. I have a few internal locations where I can control the lighting. And, like many film student, I am tight on budget. Also, I cant let go of shooting on film. This brings me to the most pertinent question. I want to shoot on 16mm for all the internal locations. I will use 500T for night shots and 200T for day shots. However, because of the tight budget I cant afford shooting on the streets with all the permits in place. My production manager is completely against me going on the street with the camera crew and says that the city people are very nosey about these things and they end up messing up your shoot. However, all I need as of now is to get my character walking at various locations in the city at various points of time. Because i dont have permit to shoot on streets I cant light things the way i want. So,I was wondering if i shoot all the external stuff on Canon 5d or 7d(coz these cameras are good with low lights), will i be able to match the footage? or is out of the question.

p.s. i will bring it back to LA and get the post production done...

so, super 16 + dslr ... good idea or bad idea?

let me know..

any help would be appreciated....

thank you for your patience..

takecare

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#2 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 10:25 AM

They did it in black swan, but honestly, i think you could get less crew with a S16mm camera... as in just you and the camera! Another option would be to look into shooting to the outside form inside and/or inside of cars. I think it was Conrad Hall who had a van with tinted windows and a way of shooting out of it to record some stuff on Skid Row for a film whose title I forget....
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 01:53 PM

They did it in black swan, but honestly, i think you could get less crew with a S16mm camera... as in just you and the camera! Another option would be to look into shooting to the outside form inside and/or inside of cars. I think it was Conrad Hall who had a van with tinted windows and a way of shooting out of it to record some stuff on Skid Row for a film whose title I forget....


well there is no concept of insurance here... so all the camera stuff comes with people...so a S16 gets me a person who is responsible for operating the camera, one person for handling the camera and then one person who is responsible for lenses... on top of that there will be DP and me... quite an entourage i will have there ...even though they make a thousand films every year it is still not a camera friendly city....and cops are always checking corners everywhere.... its a safe city but not camera friendly.... so dslr works in that sense.... i can pass it off as a tourist camera!! one thing is for certain.... i wont shoot daylight with dslr...

would that work out somehow?
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#4 Fred Neilsen

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 07:06 PM

Hi fellow filmmakers,

All I need as of now is to get my character walking at various locations in the city at various points of time.


The 5D/7D should intercut with s16 better than most cameras, and you can get away with it (as was already mentioned, the black swan did it, it was noticeably digital but not the end of the world) but if its just MOS stuff have you considered shooting with a bolex, it should look subtle enough to not attract any police attention.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:43 AM

The 5D/7D should intercut with s16 better than most cameras, and you can get away with it (as was already mentioned, the black swan did it, it was noticeably digital but not the end of the world) but if its just MOS stuff have you considered shooting with a bolex, it should look subtle enough to not attract any police attention.

Fred



Thanks Fred... Let me see if I can find a bolex here...
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#6 rob spence

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:14 AM

Bolex...or how about an Eclair acl with 200 ft mags which is a tiny camera, I use mine for getting candid shots with great results, and an aaton for the A camera.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 09:49 AM

or if you can get a hold of an Aaton A-minima, it is a very small camera that is great for run and gun. they are very small and light. Probably about the same as a 5D
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#8 Logan Thomas Triplett

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:51 PM

I've done a few projects mixing the two, due to insurance issues (they would not release the insurance for a sequence that had an explosion in it for the particular film camera). Although not thrilled to do so, it actually worked much better than expected. Honestly, if the cinematography is relevant, and tells the story, then I wouldn't be overly concerned. Just make sure to keep your sharpness down all the way in an attempt to replicate the natural softness of film. This is just my opinion if you went with this option you would be alright, however, I don't think that shooting the entire thing on film will be an impossibility.

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