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#21 David Sellers

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 03:50 PM

Interesting. I measure the Dynamic Range at 12+ stops.


Exactly!

And I don't think most people using the F3 for (serious) production are shooting on SxS cards at 4.2.0. Is that what you were shooting Chris? They won't be using an old Angie zoom either. My package uses the new Cooke Panchros and records to the AJA KiPro at 4.2.2. I only bought the Body for the Pl Mount and Sensor. Certainly not for the viewfinder or 4.2.0. lol!

Edited by David Sellers, 19 March 2011 - 03:51 PM.

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#22 John Sprung

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 02:40 AM

You don't think those problems are easily addressed with accessories?


It depends a lot on the delay in the video outputs. For an accessory finder to be usable, it has to have nearly zero delay, or your operators will look like they're drunk. That goofy handle finder is a big mistake. The flip out LCD finder would work well enough on a head, provided you can keep ambient light off of it. But it looks really delicate, as does the rest of the camera.




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#23 David Williams

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 12:19 AM

I haven't heard any stories of bad latency yet, hopefully that stays true. I also dislike the dew claw view finder, which worse yet, is unremovable. You can remove the diopter, and then it's flush with the rear end. Someone might make a few bucks with a clip on cap in place of the diopter. Or gaffa...

The camera itself is quite sturdy, much like the EX series, looks plasticy, but quite strong. Not a die cast shell, but a good compromise for light/cheap/strong.

Mine's coming in a few weeks hopefully. The new Convergent Design Gemini looks to be a nice partner for it.
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#24 David Sellers

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 06:12 PM

Just shot tests with Brand New Cooke Panchros, F3 and AJA KiPro Mini in ProRes HQ. Found best image rating Camera at 400 iso and meters at 640.... Absolutely beautiful, rich, (cinematic) Image there!!!!

Edited by David Sellers, 22 March 2011 - 06:16 PM.

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#25 hunter richards

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 09:30 PM

I just did a weekend spray down of LA strait to sxs cards, used every iso- even the highest iso settings look good.
Honestly I think the camera is amazing and im trying to find a way to buy one. Incredibly fun to use- the evf on the back is practically useless though, if I owned an f3- I think I would literally find a way to completely remove it from the camera.
(note: I used cinegamma 1 and had detail/aperture turned off- looks way better than a lot of the clips floating around online)
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#26 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 02:08 AM

Unfortunately, the camera is pretty heavy, so mounting a decent onboard to operate off of makes it pretty unusable except for very short takes. Ergonomically, it's very bad as well. The majority of my shots were handheld (some pretty lengthy) and it would have been very nice to have been able to put the thing on my shoulder. How do the camera manufacturers still not get this?


The NEX FS 100 seems to be more interesting in that regard. It's certainly a more modular design, although the HDMI could be an issue, however, external recorders will be available and it does have time code (it may possibly be 10 bit). To put the camera on your shoulder you'd need an accessory V/F, but the mounting screw holes are there.

http://blog.abelcine...super-35-fs100/

I've heard of people removing the back V/F from the Panasonic AF 100, which has a similar layout to the F3
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#27 David Sellers

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 06:53 AM

Forget the VF... it is worthless. Forget SxS and HDMI as well. I use SDI to AJA's KiPro Mini. That takes the F3's Pl Mount and Sensor to a whole new level!
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#28 David Sellers

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 07:01 AM

btw...I bought mine through ZGC Inc. in New Jersey. Flew up there to meet all the parts, assemble and test. The folks at ZGC could not have been more helpful!!!! They were patient, accommodating and really went out of their way to make my purchase as stress free as possible. They even mocked up a Dual Port so I could mount the KiPro Mini behind the Camera and run both off one Dionic. Chris and Thomas could not have been more impressive in their support before, during and after my purchase!!!! I found a home at ZGC! Not to mention (they) are the Cooke reps for the U.S

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#29 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 03:58 PM

You don't think those problems are easily addressed with accessories? Much like almost every other digital camera?

Maybe. But those accessories weren't available to us at the time, so I can only comment on what I actually worked with.

You can put an Alexa on your shoulder out of the box and shoot all day, but most others have the same problem.

I can shoot all day with quite a lot of cameras on my shoulder. XL, SL, F35, F23, Red, etc....

Then you have the advantage of small size, you won't be hold a RED for long with one hand in a tight space. And Steadicam?

Weight and/or size isn't the issue. The issue is the ergonomics and length. I can hand hold a GII and other very heavy cameras for quite a long time because it's possible to balance the camera on your shoulder. With these super small cameras it's not possible, so you end up with all the weight in front of you being supported only by your arms, which as we all know tires you out quickly. The Red isn't ideal for hand held, but it's certainly not the worst.
Steadicam is a whole different thing since the weight is evenly distributed throughout your body.
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Posted 20 April 2011 - 09:23 PM

Just wrapped a gig as a 2nd AC on a shoot with this camera. We mostly used the three Sony lenses (35, 50, 85) that the owner/operator bought with it and occasionally used a 25mm Bausch and Lomb Super Baltar 25mm. I will be color grading this footage once it is edited. Looking at some of the footage so far I think its quite good. I'm a big fan of the Sony EX-3 and am quite familiar with the footage. The F3 is cleaner in the shadows than the EX-3, most likely due to the bigger sensor. Highlights can clip harshly, just like on the EX-3, but if you can control the light and make sure not to overexpose, its not a huge deal. We shot everything at -3db gain and used a Marshall HDMI LCD monitor on-board.

I think this is a great middle-ground between DSLRs and the RED. DSLRs have a host of problems, and the RED can be a hassle to use, especially for handheld stuff. And its definitely better than using a Letus or Brevis!

Looking forward to grading this footage in Color.

Edited by Ravi Kiran, 20 April 2011 - 09:25 PM.

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#31 Marc Shap

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:39 PM

I recently had a chance to shoot with it on a small music video. We used the new Sony primes (35, 50, 85) and nikons. The physical quality of the lens's weren't that great, but I thought they looked great, and for the price, I think there a good option. The camera performed well, but the one issue we had was shooting in slow motion we hd a interesting "banding effect" on the image, like you could see the rolling shutter. Very interesting and was only on some of the slow-mo shots.

I strongly prefer it over. Any hdslr set up.

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