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#1 Toaristero Moumati

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 04:49 PM

Hello. A probably silly question to follow. I just got a film tank made from the Superior Bulk Film Company of Chicago that states 8mm on a sticker. Is this apropriate for super 8 film? The thing is that the available space of the reel is not 8mm but around 16mm. Is this a tank for double 8? Will it be ok with 16mm film? Thanks in advance. Greetings from Greece!
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 02:12 PM

Hello. A probably silly question to follow. I just got a film tank made from the Superior Bulk Film Company of Chicago that states 8mm on a sticker. Is this apropriate for super 8 film?


Hello Toaristero! Welcome to the forum.

I copied a page from a Superior catalog from the late 50's early 60's that shows what I think is the tank you have, the "Powell Tank". Superior didn't date their catalogs, just used a number, so this is from Superior Cine Manual No. 58 (the 58 could have been the year). As I recall, Superior offered this tank for a long time. I have a couple of other catalogs that are newer, but can't locate them at this time.

Sadly, there are no instructions for using this tank in the catalog. I do believe they offered a Super 8mm version in the late 60's.

Love the statement: "Join the many thousands who are processing their own film".

Hope that answers some of your questions.

Greetings from Chicagoland!

Charlie

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 05:30 PM

Hello Toaristero! Welcome to the forum.

I copied a page from a Superior catalog from the late 50's early 60's that shows what I think is the tank you have, the "Powell Tank". Superior didn't date their catalogs, just used a number, so this is from Superior Cine Manual No. 58 (the 58 could have been the year). As I recall, Superior offered this tank for a long time. I have a couple of other catalogs that are newer, but can't locate them at this time.

Sadly, there are no instructions for using this tank in the catalog. I do believe they offered a Super 8mm version in the late 60's.

Love the statement: "Join the many thousands who are processing their own film".

Hope that answers some of your questions.

Greetings from Chicagoland!

Charlie

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Yes, that's the one! It looks like my tank. The reason I made the previous questions is that while the sticker on my tank says 8mm, I have seen the same tanks for sale on ebay having stickers that says "Super 8". The clearance of my tank is around 16mm so according to the catalog you posted, the tank can be used with both 8mm and 16mm films. I have no experience with movie film processing but this must be the case since the russian lomo tank can be used for both 8mm and 16mm and the reel is not adjustable. Or am I wrong?
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 07:04 PM

Yes, that's the one! It looks like my tank. The reason I made the previous questions is that while the sticker on my tank says 8mm,


I think the tank you have is fixed for 16mm wide film. The regular 8mm film actually starts out as 16mm wide film, or as it was called "Double 8mm". It came in 25 foot length rolls, 16mm wide. After you ran it through the camera exposing 1/2 of the film or 1 side of the film, you flipped the roll over and ran it through the camera again to expose the other side of the film. When the film was processed, it was then slit in half to the 8mm width, then spliced together on a 50 ft reel. Check out this wiki explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_mm_film

Superior did have a super 8 version that was fixed at 8mm wide and could handle the 50 ft length. Here's a listing for the Super 8 version of what you have. It shows the Superior tank sold by a company called SOS in New York. Check the different dimensions between the 2 tanks.

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If you want to process Super 8 film, you'll need to get a tank that is set for that width, or is adjustable between 16mm and Super 8. I'm sure the one you have will not adjust down to 8mm width.

The 8mm label on your tank is correct, as that tank is set for the double 8mm film (16mm wide) and holds the standard 25 foot reel. If the tank was for 16mm film, it would hold at least a 100ft spool and be able to take 100 ft of film.

Hope that helps!

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 10:47 AM

I think the tank you have is fixed for 16mm wide film. The regular 8mm film actually starts out as 16mm wide film, or as it was called "Double 8mm". It came in 25 foot length rolls, 16mm wide. After you ran it through the camera exposing 1/2 of the film or 1 side of the film, you flipped the roll over and ran it through the camera again to expose the other side of the film. When the film was processed, it was then slit in half to the 8mm width, then spliced together on a 50 ft reel. Check out this wiki explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_mm_film

Superior did have a super 8 version that was fixed at 8mm wide and could handle the 50 ft length. Here's a listing for the Super 8 version of what you have. It shows the Superior tank sold by a company called SOS in New York. Check the different dimensions between the 2 tanks.

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Thanks, it seems that I bought a 16mm tank after all. Now I must buy and a 16mm camera to use the tank. As for my super8s, I will continue to process bucket-style :(




If you want to process Super 8 film, you'll need to get a tank that is set for that width, or is adjustable between 16mm and Super 8. I'm sure the one you have will not adjust down to 8mm width.

The 8mm label on your tank is correct, as that tank is set for the double 8mm film (16mm wide) and holds the standard 25 foot reel. If the tank was for 16mm film, it would hold at least a 100ft spool and be able to take 100 ft of film.

Hope that helps!

Charlie


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#6 Michael Carter

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 09:23 AM

Has anyone had success using these tanks?
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