Jump to content


Photo

S-log trial on F3 at NAB


  • Please log in to reply
20 replies to this topic

#1 Brian Drysdale

Brian Drysdale
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 5070 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 20 April 2011 - 01:49 AM

Here's the first trial shoot with S-log in an Abel Cine F3, that had just been upgraded at NAB by Sony. The internal XDCAM recorder looks like it's recording Rec709, rather than S-Log and the exposure is set for the latter.




  • 0

#2 Brian Drysdale

Brian Drysdale
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 5070 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 20 April 2011 - 02:28 AM

Should add that the F3 has been modified with a top cheese plate that replaces the Sony top handle and rear V/F.
  • 0

#3 Brian Drysdale

Brian Drysdale
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 5070 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:59 AM

Exposure wise, I gather it was exposed for REC 709 and then given a touch of over exposure to see what could be "recovered" in post with the S-log.

Edited by Brian Drysdale, 20 April 2011 - 10:59 AM.

  • 0

#4 Vincent Sweeney

Vincent Sweeney
  • Sustaining Members
  • 686 posts
  • Director
  • LA at the moment.

Posted 20 April 2011 - 01:26 PM

Shooting for 20 days now with an F3 (that I now own). Its looking good even without the S-log. I will post some grabs sometime soon in the production section.
  • 0

#5 Mitch Gross

Mitch Gross
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2873 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 20 April 2011 - 06:43 PM

That shoot was more fun than a barrel of monkeys. Those guys came up with the idea to shoot something when they saw we had the S-Log upgrade. In a matter of hours they had a bunch of things planned out. Around three o'clock I heard that they were going to walk around the Vegas strip, but come six when the show ended they had arranged a helicopter for dusk and some models for early the next morning. The window we gave them was from 6pm (show close) to 9am (show opens again). They were a little late getting back but all was well in the end. Nuts, really.
  • 0

#6 Stuart Brereton

Stuart Brereton
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 3073 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Los Angeles

Posted 20 April 2011 - 07:52 PM

Mitch, when will the upgraded F3 be available for rental? Any idea of how much that camera configuration will cost a week?
  • 0

#7 Mitch Gross

Mitch Gross
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2873 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:49 PM

Sony "degraded" the camera at the end of the show. It was still Beta-firmware with some functions not yet working fully. The demand has been very heavy and they are rushing to have it available as soon as possible. I don't believe we've set pricing on the upgraded version.
  • 0

#8 David Sellers

David Sellers
  • Basic Members
  • PipPip
  • 22 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 21 April 2011 - 05:41 AM

I am very happy with the footage coming out of my F3 to KiPro Mini 4.2.2. Hoping next year the Cinedeck price comes down. Right now, it is a bit high especially considering many Stations want Spots delivered on Beta SP or DVCProHD 720/60.

Edited by David Sellers, 21 April 2011 - 05:41 AM.

  • 0

#9 David Sellers

David Sellers
  • Basic Members
  • PipPip
  • 22 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 21 April 2011 - 07:52 AM

Should add that the F3 has been modified with a top cheese plate that replaces the Sony top handle and rear V/F.


Who did/ can do this conversion? Any pics? I am looking for something similar.
  • 0

#10 Brian Drysdale

Brian Drysdale
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 5070 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 21 April 2011 - 08:15 AM

Who did/ can do this conversion? Any pics? I am looking for something similar.


I gather there were discussions behind the scenes at NAB about enabling Sony dealers to do this mod. It's an Abel Cine camera, so Mitch may know more detail, but you'd need to be careful about infringing your camera's warranty.
  • 0

#11 Stuart Brereton

Stuart Brereton
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 3073 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Los Angeles

Posted 21 April 2011 - 11:52 AM

This is a really interesting setup, which could be very useful for lower budget projects. I've read on the sony site that the F3 will have a 1D LUT ability enabled along with the S-Log, but presumably this will only work through the Composite monitor out. Does the Cinedeck support LUTs? Their website is a little short on info
  • 0

#12 Brian Drysdale

Brian Drysdale
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 5070 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 21 April 2011 - 05:13 PM

Who did/ can do this conversion? Any pics?


Some one took this:

http://www.dvinfo.ne...s-prototype.jpg
  • 0

#13 John Sprung

John Sprung
  • Sustaining Members
  • 4635 posts
  • Other

Posted 21 April 2011 - 05:20 PM

Some one took this:
http://www.dvinfo.ne...s-prototype.jpg


Now that's more like it. The goofy handle finder was a big mistake.






-- J.S.
  • 0

#14 David Sellers

David Sellers
  • Basic Members
  • PipPip
  • 22 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 22 April 2011 - 09:52 AM

Some one took this:

http://www.dvinfo.ne...s-prototype.jpg



Mitch, How much for that conversion? What about Warranty?
  • 0

#15 David Sellers

David Sellers
  • Basic Members
  • PipPip
  • 22 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 22 April 2011 - 11:19 AM

ELEMENT TECHNICA is building those and they (should) be available in 30-45 days. As it stands, it DOES void the warranty, however, they are working with Sony to solve that. Hopefully Sony works with them! I would buy it right now but I am (not) going to void my warranty.


Thanks Dave. You're welcome Dave!

Edited by David Sellers, 22 April 2011 - 11:20 AM.

  • 0

#16 Mitch Gross

Mitch Gross
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2873 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 22 April 2011 - 01:15 PM

AbelCine (me in particular) has been been working closely with Element Technica on the development of accessories for the F3. Currently these are prototypes and there will be a few adjustments along the way. We are working with ET & Sony to protect owners. Once we all figure it out we'll let you know. Pricing on these topside accessories as well as the riser with integrated lightweight 15mm rods & shoulder pad will be announced as soon as we lock down the design to determine costs. It's all gonna be really sweet. What ET accessories did for the RED One is what they will do for the F3, even more refined.
  • 0

#17 David Sellers

David Sellers
  • Basic Members
  • PipPip
  • 22 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 22 April 2011 - 02:08 PM

Sweeeet Mitch!

I am set w/ a baseplate, follow focus etc but removing the VF and adding the Handle I am VERY interested in!
  • 0

#18 David Sellers

David Sellers
  • Basic Members
  • PipPip
  • 22 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 24 April 2011 - 05:59 AM

I'll take mine in (Red) instead of (Blue) if possible....
  • 0

#19 Mitch Gross

Mitch Gross
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2873 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 24 April 2011 - 09:16 PM

Final versions will come in any color you want as long as it's black.
  • 0

#20 Hal Smith

Hal Smith
  • Sustaining Members
  • 2280 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • OKC area

Posted 24 April 2011 - 11:11 PM

It's not easy to make a black model look really right...but darned if the S-log didn't nail that difficult exposure.
  • 0


Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

CineLab

Wooden Camera

Ritter Battery

Paralinx LLC

Rig Wheels Passport

Visual Products

Broadcast Solutions Inc

FJS International, LLC

Glidecam

rebotnix Technologies

Aerial Filmworks

Gamma Ray Digital Inc

The Slider

Opal

Metropolis Post

CineTape

Willys Widgets

Abel Cine

Tai Audio

Technodolly

Tai Audio

Wooden Camera

Metropolis Post

Visual Products

Broadcast Solutions Inc

Aerial Filmworks

Ritter Battery

Glidecam

CineTape

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

CineLab

Willys Widgets

rebotnix Technologies

Paralinx LLC

Technodolly

Opal

Rig Wheels Passport

The Slider

FJS International, LLC

Abel Cine

Gamma Ray Digital Inc