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#1 Dustin Lindgren

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 04:55 PM

http://reduser.net/f...erman-update...
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#2 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 05:07 PM

And this means what to who?
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#3 Stuart Brereton

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 05:37 PM

So what you're saying is that the Epic can produce nice pictures, much like the Alexa, F35, F23, Genesis, Red MX, Phantom, F3......

woohoo.
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#4 Keith Walters

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 08:03 PM


http://reduser.net/f...erman-update...

Hah! Even MORE reason to hate the RED!!! :rolleyes:
JJ:
"I have to say that we were all stunned. Shocked. So incredible. Not like RED ONE MX. Not like anything we had seen from another camera."

Which is pretty much the same things the Fanboys have been saying about ANY footage from ANY RED camera, from Day One, every time there was another upgrade, another software build etc. :P

Face it: There is a certain mentality that will unfailingly describe the the most putridly-shot footage as "Jaw-Dropping imagery", as long as it's:
A. Shot on a RED camera
B. Posted somwhere where they think Jim will read it

Get over it. :lol:

From my viewpoint, RED images have gone from generally looking like Pus, to something actually quite reasonable (Pirates of the Carribean 4), but still short of film origination.
So maybe now they have a system that will give something like Alexa/F35 image quality, but with resolution more in line with 35mm film negative. Like most of the rest of the world, I ignore the Hype and await the results. Spider-Man better be worth it.

This whole protracted RED saga has been far sadder than it needed to be...
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#5 Keith Walters

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 08:52 PM

And this means what to who?

I think it means once you see the Epic, you're going to hate the RED...

Splitters! Wankers!
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#6 Dustin Lindgren

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 09:37 PM

LOL!!!! My thread title originally read, "Far all the RED haters!!!! Where you at Mr. Walters". But i erased the last sentence to see how long it would take for the biggest hater of all to reply.

And Keith, I'm just trying to get you riled up. I actually like and respect your post on here. I just knew you and Rhodes would chime in quickly.
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#7 Richard Boddington

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:19 PM

Ok so the question I have is how much post work had been done on the footage they where looking at? I mean this is a huge budget movie being made by a Hollywood studio, therefore they have the very best of everything in terms of talent and equipment.

What I have always liked about 35mm is that even inexperienced people working with a small budget can produce amazing looking imagery when shooting 35mm. It already has a beauty and "magic" to it that you don't need to add later.

I am sure the RED gear is very good quality. But can I achieve these results with my limited resources and budget and the epic camera?

R,
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#8 Patrick Cooper

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:41 PM

What I have always liked about 35mm is that even inexperienced people working with a small budget can produce amazing looking imagery when shooting 35mm. It already has a beauty and "magic" to it that you don't need to add later.
R,


Not to mention the almost care-free nature you can have towards exposure with 35mm neg. Just deliberately overexpose by about two thirds of a stop or so and you should be fine! I like that sort of safety net. With still film photography, my preference is slide film....however when I do shoot negative, it's great not having to worry about nailing your exposures so that they are absolutely spot on all the time. Even with great care, exposure errors do happen...even with video.
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#9 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:39 AM

I am sure the RED gear is very good quality. But can I achieve these results with my limited resources and budget and the epic camera?

R,


Careful Richard, you're flirting with dark forces just contemplating it. From what I hear, even if you try a RED just once, you'll never want to use anything else. Like crack. For God's sake, it's "better than 65mm"!

You'll end up a snivelling boob on RedUser "dancing around your keyboard" every time there's an upgrade.

You'll start having "film is dead" parties and making movies that are entirely handheld.

Just say no! :P
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#10 Richard Boddington

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:59 AM

Careful Richard, you're flirting with dark forces just contemplating it.


I'm trying to be diplomatic whilst making a point.

R,
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#11 Keith Walters

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 01:24 AM

LOL!!!! My thread title originally read, "Far all the RED haters!!!! Where you at Mr. Walters". But i erased the last sentence to see how long it would take for the biggest hater of all to reply.


"Far all the RED haters!!!!"
Is that like: "They can all join the Far Queue". :rolleyes:

For your information, I hate the Red in much the same way as the average Muslim hates too much soy sauce on his Sweet and Sour Pork.

I can assure you, others hate the RED far, far more than my pitiful efforts. In fact, they hate it so intensely that they can't even bring themselves to post here anymore! I guess they're tired of having to clean all the spittle and bits of chipped tooth enamel out of the keyboard. Ah, that wily Mr Jannard; he certainly knows which buttons to press... B)

I live outside the RED universe.
In fact, I have only ever laid eyes on a RED on a single occasion, when, entirely by accident, I stumbled on a commercial shoot near my house.

Because one of the crew knew me, I was allowed to press the big red button and make a 10 second recording. Incredibly, for some people, that's not considered sufficient experience to make a credible judgement!

I don't know why; that's probably about 10 seconds longer than the average Reduser enthusiast's exposure to the same product.... :D
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#12 Keith Walters

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 01:28 AM

I'm trying to be diplomatic whilst making a point.

R,

You mean like on a sharpened stake?
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#13 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 01:46 AM

I'm trying to be diplomatic whilst making a point.

R,


Yes, I know. No offense intended.

I was trying to be asinine. Quite successfully it seems.

Your point is very valid. One of the problems with the many comparative camera tests being done these days is that the amount and quality of post work done can significantly change the outcome. A "fair" test would limit each camera/format to the same post budget.

John Brawley's recently posted tests of relatively ungraded material showed quite clearly (I thought) how even S16mm looked far better than the RED MX stuff.
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#14 Stephen Williams

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 02:54 AM

For God's sake, it's "better than 65mm"!


I remember a very similar quote several years ago from an 'A' list director about an original 'pre release' Red One camera.
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#15 Keith Walters

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 06:33 AM

I remember a very similar quote several years ago from an 'A' list director about an original 'pre release' Red One camera.

Yes, it's hard to believe this has been going on for over five years now.

Mind you, the Manhattan Project only took about 3½ years, and they produced two entirely different types of atom bomb, from a standing start, and both worked first time!
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#16 Richard Boddington

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 11:00 AM

Yes, I know. No offense intended.


Oh none taken of course. :D

I'm on a special list of c.com users that must be extra sensitive to the feelings of others if I make any comment regarding Red products. So I'm staying focused on being diplomatic and making logic based posts. Any Red vs film flame war will undoubtedly be attributed to me, along with the global financial collapse, melting ice caps, and 9/11. Next thing you know they'll be saying nasty things about me again on a certain website.

All because I asked a legitimate question about the amount of post work done on Red footage. :huh:

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#17 Stephen Williams

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 04:49 PM

I'm on a special list of c.com users that must be extra sensitive to the feelings of others if I make any comment regarding Red products.
R,


Hi Richard,

That must be after the 'cartoon' of crossing the line, you as a sustaining member were able to delete some of your posts, money well spent IMHO!

Best Stephen
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#18 John Sprung

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 05:52 PM

Mind you, the Manhattan Project only took about 3½ years, and they produced two entirely different types of atom bomb, from a standing start, and both worked first time!


But when you correct for inflation, they had more money.... ;-)




-- J.S.
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#19 Richard Boddington

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 06:50 PM

Hi Richard,

That must be after the 'cartoon' of crossing the line, you as a sustaining member were able to delete some of your posts, money well spent IMHO!

Best Stephen


Sheesh you have a long memory. :)

R,
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#20 Keith Walters

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 07:51 PM

Sheesh you have a long memory. :)

R,

Sadly, DVXuser apparently does not, since all references to "that f*ckstick Boddington" etc have now mysteriously been erased from the time stream :)

All that remains are some dead links on this forum.
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