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#1 flavio filho

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 04:19 AM

Hi All.

I was hoping to get some help on finding matte boxes that would fit my 2 Arri 16s?
I know there' some original ones being sold around. But I was wondering if any "modern" model with the independent flaps could fit/adjust to my Arri 16s?

(Sorry, mean MATTE BOX and ARRI in the title... :P)

Thanks
Flavio

Edited by flavio filho, 31 October 2011 - 04:20 AM.

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#2 Charlie Peich

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 01:52 PM

Hi All.

I was hoping to get some help on finding matte boxes that would fit my 2 Arri 16s?

Flavio


Flavio,
Before Arri stopped making the 16s, they offered these "off the shelf" accessories to adapt the 16s to allow the use of the Follow Focus, the various sized Matte Boxes and lens supports they made that were being used on the 35mm cameras. It made it easier to use the newer and heavier long lenses and zoom lenses on the 16s. It breathed a little life into the 16s and brought it up to the current production methods, especially the use of the follow focus mechanism.

You would need item 10 - "Adaptor plate" and item 11 - "Bridge plate BP-3 or BP-5". The BP-3 and BP-5 were for the 35-3 and BL-3, BL-4 cameras. These 2 accessories would line up or center all new generation Arri matte boxes, FFs and lens supports to the 16s' lens mount. This was for 15mm rods only. This also works for the 16M camera.

Arri didn't make an adaptor to use the "Light weight support" (see the pic of the 16SR) system for the 16s that I'm aware of, you would need to make your own.

By the time I discovered that Arri had made the Adaptor plate or riser plate, Arri had stopped making them, and I couldn't find that item anywhere in the States. Not many people or rental houses were aware such a thing existed, as the 16s had fallen way out of popularity by the 16SR.

I did end up getting one as shown in the picture, and I was able to use my 16s with the 6X6 MB-14 matte box and FF-2, big lenses such as the Nikon 300mm T2 with 2x extender and Cooke 18-100 zoom. The assistants appreciated the FF-2 at least.

However, this defeats run and gun hand holding with 100ft loads. The older 16s Universal matte box is fairly versatile. What lenses are you planing on using?

Charlie

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 02:48 PM

Flavio,
Before Arri stopped making the 16s, they offered these "off the shelf" accessories to adapt the 16s to allow the use of the Follow Focus, the various sized Matte Boxes and lens supports they made that were being used on the 35mm cameras. It made it easier to use the newer and heavier long lenses and zoom lenses on the 16s. It breathed a little life into the 16s and brought it up to the current production methods, especially the use of the follow focus mechanism.

You would need item 10 - "Adaptor plate" and item 11 - "Bridge plate BP-3 or BP-5". The BP-3 and BP-5 were for the 35-3 and BL-3, BL-4 cameras. These 2 accessories would line up or center all new generation Arri matte boxes, FFs and lens supports to the 16s' lens mount. This was for 15mm rods only. This also works for the 16M camera.

Arri didn't make an adaptor to use the "Light weight support" (see the pic of the 16SR) system for the 16s that I'm aware of, you would need to make your own.

By the time I discovered that Arri had made the Adaptor plate or riser plate, Arri had stopped making them, and I couldn't find that item anywhere in the States. Not many people or rental houses were aware such a thing existed, as the 16s had fallen way out of popularity by the 16SR.

I did end up getting one as shown in the picture, and I was able to use my 16s with the 6X6 MB-14 matte box and FF-2, big lenses such as the Nikon 300mm T2 with 2x extender and Cooke 18-100 zoom. The assistants appreciated the FF-2 at least.

However, this defeats run and gun hand holding with 100ft loads. The older 16s Universal matte box is fairly versatile. What lenses are you planing on using?

Charlie

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Adaptor Plate / Riser Plate:

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Looks like a prototype Adaptor plate in this photo...........

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Hi Charlie.

Wow, it's really cool that one... It might be really expensive though.
Yeah, I'd probably get the "traditional" "accordeon" ones :P
I bet is more versatile.

I'd be using a Kinoptik 5.7, Zeiss 10 and 16mm...
For short films I'll be doing the next months.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 09:24 PM

Yeah, I'd probably get the "traditional" "accordeon" ones :P
I bet is more versatile.

I'd be using a Kinoptik 5.7, Zeiss 10 and 16mm...


Hello again Flavio!

The bellows matte box you'd want to find is the Universal Matte Box. I attached a couple of pages from the instruction booklet.

This matte box will work down to the Zeiss small barreled 8mm lens, the original size, with 2 4X4 filters, Standard 16 only. It wont work for the Kinoptik 5.7.



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Do you have the Kinoptic metal shade for your 5.7? This is the only shade you can use, unless you make your own. No filters can be put in it. You would have to move up to the 6X6 MB-14 matte box in order to use filters in front of the lens and for the shade to clear the field of view for standard 16mm. You wouldn't necessarily need 6X6 filters, you could use smaller filters with the appropriate 6x6 step down filter tray. The MB-14 Wide Angle would be needed for Super 16.

You could carefully tape a 4 1/2 inch round filter on the front without a holder, all kinds of risks to the filter involved.

Kinoptic 5.7 or 9.8 Lenshade... (scanner art, some distortion)

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As for your 8 to 12 volt conversion on the mag torque motor, I had my motors converted by Clive Tobin. I don't think he is doing this any more, but maybe he will tell you what resistors you need and how to wire them in. I do know it's not just one resistor to drop the voltage from 12 volts to 8.

Charlie
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#5 flavio filho

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 01:49 PM

hey Charlie.

Thanks, man, that's awesome! Plenty of info!

Thing is. I JUST bought1/won 1 bid on eBay 2 Matte Boxes, ORIGINAL Standard MATTE BOXES for Arri16s (Total of $170 on both, but considering it's becoming quite HARD to find stuff for Arri 16s... I rather keep two one for each body and maybe sell later)

OK, lets go by parts then...

Do you have the Kinoptic metal shade for your 5.7? This is the only shade you can use, unless you make your own. No filters can be put in it.
Kinoptic 5.7 or 9.8 Lenshade... (scanner art, some distortion)
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No, I don't have...
But just to make sure I got straight. and find out what is missing to use them with my lens... WHAT items (IF ANY) of the above pictures you posted, I'd need in order to ADAPT these lens:
2 Zeiss 10mm and 16mm Cinegon Arri STD Lens
1 Kinoptik 5.7 >>> This I got what you said, it's PROBLEM... WHAT could I use in an original


As for your 8 to 12 volt conversion on the mag torque motor, I had my motors converted by Clive Tobin. I don't think he is doing this any more, but maybe he will tell you what resistors you need and how to wire them in. I do know it's not just one resistor to drop the voltage from 12 volts to 8.

Charlie


I'd do that if I have the money now. But its an expensive "toy" the Arri 16s (although worth every penny, isn't it?)
I'm keen to make two of them work. But I'm sure I saw somewhere here, will look around. someone posted the pics and names of the pieces, and the guidelines on how to make this.

Anyway, one of my Arri 16s is not working. It's perfect,, PRISTINE, but the old owner said he plugged, it run for a while and stopped...
SO... It will probably have to go to a specialist. When I have the money, I can pay to make the changes.

But I have one working. And keen to make the mags work.
Any tips on the matte box/lens issue would help.

Thanks,
Flavio

Edited by flavio filho, 01 November 2011 - 01:52 PM.

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