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#1 Marc Roessler

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 09:44 AM

It has been announced at Camerimage and in FDT (http://www.fdtimes.c...es-LoRez150.pdf), but strangely not yet on the Kodak webpage.

To quote FDT:
"With grain almost gone, the superb color and fine detail of new Kodak Vision3 50D/5203 shows that film is still very much alive."

Looking forward to try that one in S16..
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#2 Tim Vance

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 07:26 PM

That's very exciting to hear!
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 05:45 PM

bah - 5245 was fine, 5201 was fine, now 5203. Why bother?
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 10:15 AM

I'd almost be inclined to say that VISION2 50D was a step backwards from the beautiful saturation and contrast of EXR 50D - hopefully a trend that won't be repeated this time around.

Other than that though, new film, excitement, yay, etc.
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#5 Todd Anderson

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 03:38 PM

+1 really looking to see how this looks on S16mm and transferred through a Spirit Datacine, etc ...

-Todd

p.s: now I think the next best move would be to put out a 800 or 1000 speed V3 stock ...
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#6 Will Montgomery

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 05:40 PM

p.s: now I think the next best move would be to put out a 800 or 1000 speed V3 stock ...

500T is fine pushed to 800 or even 1000... much better than that Vision 800T stock ever was.
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#7 Marc Roessler

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 05:42 PM

Official page seems to be accessible now:
www.kodak.com/go/50d

Guess I'm going to order a 100' roll for testing. Too bad they didn't publish this stock in summer.

True EI 1000, that would be fine. But somehow I got a feeling a physical limit is reached there - unless there is a major new technology break through. And I guess with regard to high EI digital has somewhat surpassed film. Then again, in most cases you need to light the scenery anyway for it to look good, so it's not too much additional effort to light to a higher stop/lower EI (and get the film look for free).

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#8 Todd Anderson

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 06:36 PM

500T is fine pushed to 800 or even 1000... much better than that Vision 800T stock ever was.



Yeah. I guess I think it would just help with the marketing push (against the wave of high-iso shooting with digital) for there to be a base stock of 800 / 1000. I suppose when a producer starts talking, "you can shoot digital at such and such iso" ... it would be like, "Vision3 800T or Vision3 1000T" does that, and you can push it to 2000, etc" ... plus as mentioned, you get the "film look" for free ... just my thoughts ...

-T
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#9 Charles MacDonald

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 07:35 PM

True EI 1000, that would be fine. But somehow I got a feeling a physical limit is reached there - unless there is a major new technology break through.


There used to be 1600 and 3200 Still colour stocks, grainy but workable - mind you they may have been a bit optimistic in the speed rating department. Even Ilford Delta 3200 B&w still film basically has a push built into its processing instructions.

Major problem with any of the faster films is a tendency to build up fog much quicker than slow speed films, resulting in much shorter dating, while the specialised mature makes then stay in the warehouse longer, resulting in more waste.
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#10 Bayley Sweitzer

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 04:54 PM

I'd almost be inclined to say that VISION2 50D was a step backwards from the beautiful saturation and contrast of EXR 50D - hopefully a trend that won't be repeated this time around.

Other than that though, new film, excitement, yay, etc.


Here is a test roll I shot of the Vision 2 50D: http://www.youtube.c...?v=zoo4-Q4MNAU.

I've heard a lot of people say the same thing, but when transfered, I think it looked GREAT!
I think it might have been designed to be transfered, not projected, but lemme know what you think.
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#11 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 06:05 PM

Here is a test roll I shot of the Vision 2 50D: http://www.youtube.c...?v=zoo4-Q4MNAU.

I've heard a lot of people say the same thing, but when transfered, I think it looked GREAT!
I think it might have been designed to be transfered, not projected, but lemme know what you think.


Did you desaturate it at all? The colors look a bit muted compared to 7201.

Edited by Bill DiPietra, 13 January 2012 - 06:05 PM.

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#12 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 05:29 AM

Bill; according to the poster, that is '01 as he calls "vision 2 50D tests" ;)
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#13 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:25 PM

Bill; according to the poster, that is '01 as he calls "vision 2 50D tests" ;)


Oops. Yup. Thanks.
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#14 Charles Zuzak

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:52 AM

I wonder if this will look grainless at 2K/HD resolutions (on Super35).

Edited by Charles Zuzak, 29 February 2012 - 09:52 AM.

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#15 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:32 AM

Charles;
I can't really recall a time I've ever seen Vision2 50D look grainy. Fuji, though, can give some surprise grain on 64D S16mm, though-- as I learned.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 07:31 PM

I agree that 5245 was universally loved by filmmakers and missed when it was replaced by 5201.

If anyone wants to test the new 5203, however, we are beginning to get some recans and short ends in from productions. The recan is just .10 cents per foot or $40.

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#17 Stuart Brereton

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:16 PM

"With grain almost gone, the superb color and fine detail of new Kodak Vision3 50D/5203 shows that film is still very much alive."



At least as far as 35mm is concerned, who the hell wants grainless film?
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#18 Raz Birger

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:17 AM

Did anyone watch this 5203 sample footage from Kodak?


What do you think?
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#19 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:56 AM

At least as far as 35mm is concerned, who the hell wants grainless film?


EXACTLY!!!
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#20 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 11:03 AM

Did anyone watch this 5203 sample footage from Kodak?


What do you think?


I find the results rather underwhemling. Pretty pictures, but I couldn't even make out any grain in the shadow areas which gives it a flat feeling. I need grain for texture.
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