Advice on lighting this room
Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:25 PM
I've attached the room layout. Extremely rough I know, apologies. Looking to light the room as if it was a nightime scene - television is on etc, and a couple of lamps. In terms of lighting I have the following to choose from:
Arri 2 K Blonde
Arri 800W Redhead
Arri 1 K Fresnel
Bambino Portable Lighting Kit (incl 3 X Fresnel 500W with stands and case)
ARRI Portable Lighting Kit (incl 3 X 300W or 3 X 500W Fresnels with stands and case)
Kino Flo (portable softlight interview kit
including 2 X 4 bank 2ft (tungsten)
stands & case)
There's going to be wide, medium and close-ups. Also looking to have the shadows hit against the wall behind where people will be sitting. I think it's going to be hard trying to replicate the light coming from the tv, what do you guys think?
Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:30 PM
Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:00 PM
why don't you start with your first ideas/plans and we can then see what you're thinking and where we might be best able to help.
Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:06 PM
Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:34 PM
Are there any windows in the room? You might bounce some light in with an HMI for moonlight. Put some 60w or 100w bulbs in the lamps and crank the brightness and contrast up on the T.V to get some extra light out of it. That is if you wont be seeing it. Have any china balls?
The room that's in line to be used doesn't have any windows (the room that I'd personally pick has two massive windows). Wide shot won't include the tv, maybe a hint of it, but mainly focusing on the seating area. There will be some OTS shots which will have the tv entirely in shot - guessing I need to pick up some gels to cover the tv (Adrian was saying it's roughly 6k on the kelvin scale so if I'm using tungsten lights (Arri + lamps) then I'll just put some CTO over the tv?). Don't have any china balls, nope, recommend?
Adrian - Initially I was thinking of bouncing a light (or two) off the ceiling but then it occurred to me that this would look nothing like a nighttime scene - why are they being lit from above etc. So the lamps were thrown in to add a little bit of light to each side but still, the tv is not going to provide enough illumination to light people sitting on the couch/recliner. Problem is mainly with the wide/establishing shot and trying to hide the lights but still light the subjects somewhat.
Here's an example of something similar-ish to what I'm aiming for, probably a bit darker though.
Edited by John Byrne, 01 February 2012 - 05:34 PM.
Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:47 PM
You could also add in an overall overhead soft light from the Kinos; but personally I never really like doing that.
Were it me, and without seeing the room in person, I might be tempted just to reglobe the lamps and see if that gets me where I need to be. If they don't; i'd start scooting in some lights to bring up areas of the frame I need. One of the biggest problems we have is often over-lighting-- we got the gear and feel we need to use it all-- but you don't most of the time.
If it's not working, try turning off a light first, before adding in another (especially for a night scene).
Posted 02 February 2012 - 01:11 AM
Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:48 AM
Evan - the rental company that has those lights says they don't come with a dimmer unfortunately. The said I can bring them down with some trace paper but that's not much help. They also said that they have the kino flo kit which has 4 tubes in each of the 2 banks, and each tube has its own individual switch so in a way it can be dimmed. Btw, the mood is pretty dark/depressing/gloomy!
Appreciate any advice, thanks!
Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:54 AM
Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:10 AM
When you say swap out you mean just have bulb in there but just not turned on?
Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:16 AM
all in medium base bulbs and in both frosted and clear varieties. The go tos, normally are 100 and 60 watt, though; but there's nothing wrong with putting a 25 watt bulb into a side table lamp or whatever to dim it down.
Streaks and tips is spray on hair coloring; you can get the black and spry it on the bulb and it's like black wrap, but you take down the amount of light coming off of a lamp proper.
Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:15 AM
Problem with the room and we've been left with the room attached to work with. Far smaller than what was desired but that's we've got now. I was thinking of using the Arri 300w (x3) since the room is so small and that I'm trying to create a night time living room environment - what do you guys think?
Edited by John Byrne, 16 February 2012 - 07:19 AM.
Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:00 AM
Maybe you could stick with the idea of using the 300s and play them as 3/4 back light/sidelights to keep the contrast up and make it a bit moodier.
Let us know how you get on!
Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:44 AM
Posted 18 February 2012 - 03:03 PM
I've got two lights set up behind the tv (to the left and right of it), both 500w with the barn doors quite narrow. Still looks a good bit off and not quite like a night scene - what do you think? Not sure what else I can do with this - the room is so small that it's impossible to cross light!
Appreciate any feedback, shoot is in a couple of days so the sooner the more appreciated!
Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:16 PM
Posted 19 February 2012 - 01:57 PM
Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:45 PM
Yeah the white walls are killing it big time. So little space though that we've got no other option. And we don't have anything to cover the walls (using what we have to cover the tiles on the floor!). Gotta love low-budget filmmaking, eh?
Adrian - can't get in from the sides as the width you see in the picture is actually the width of the room. Can't get in at the sides :/
Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:56 PM
Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:18 AM