Ways to degrade 5K footage IN camera
Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:41 PM
I'm shooting a commercial next week, and was just contacted by the director that he wants to "degrade" the 5K Epic footage in camera to make it feel rougher and less sharp, almost like 16mm film. Now, you ask, why don't we just shoot 16mm film? There are several reasons, some involving specialty body mounted camera rigs we are using, overcranking issues, and VFX to be done in post. So lets just assume the Epic is the way I must go.
I'm thinking lenses and filters will be my main tool to achieve the desired effect, but I also have some caveats on that end:
the filters must be available as screw ons - we need the camera to be as lightweight as possible and so a mattebox wont do.
The lenses must be relatively fast - we are shooting day into night using available light in an urban environment at night.
the lenses must be lightweight - for the same reasons we need screw on filters.
Lastly, during the day we need to be able to stop down a fair amount, as the shots call for a great amount of DOF. So finding old lenses (like the Super Baltars) and opening them up all the way to get flares and softness isn't really an option.
Any ideas? The director wants flares too, which would help degrade our images, but of course if we have to stop down our lens we are working against that idea....
Maybe I shoot at a high ISO and throw a ton of screw on ND's in front of it?
Put vaseline on an optical flat?
Any lenses that people love that could fit this job?
Posted 15 April 2012 - 07:41 AM
As for lenses, there's always the Russian Lomo lenses which creates a rich and characteristic vintage look.
Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:47 AM
if you need high quality 5K images for your post work-flow, ect, then wouldn't it make sense NOT to do it in camera? If that's the big hold-back for going with 16mm ect, then you'd want high quality in camera looks; without too much degrading going on, and I"d leave all the "finessing," for post, in this case-- though I do love doing things in camera-- in order to make sure the VFX work goes smoothly.
Now; if you still want to try it; then yes, Lomo lenses can look "older," as can K35s. Problem with the Lomos is that I don't think they have a screw-able front, and i'm not sure about the K35s either.
You can tape filters onto the front of the lenses; lord knows I've done that before.
Also instead of using glass filters; perhaps look into Geletin from Kodak/Lee/Formatt and scratch em up with some steel wool?
I've also used Cd/DVD jewel cases and xacto knives to cut nd scratch and scrape ect to really gunk up images.
Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:01 AM
Also, I'd consider shooting in 2k mode - the cropped sensor is going to help match the field of view of 16mm. A 35mm size sensor - looks like a 35mm size sensor, in terms of depth of field and the way len's behave. The other advantage of the cropped sensor would automatically make the footage softer and would make it easier to achive deeper focus.
Then maybe look at using 16mm lens, since I belive they would cover the 2k part of sensor.
Posted 23 April 2012 - 11:36 AM
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