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#1 James B

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:00 PM

Hi
As a 3D novice, I'd really appreciate some solid advice on creating 'realistic' 3d objects that can be composited with live action.

My inspiration is 'The 3rd and the Seventh', really a work of art.



What software should I consider as a starting point?

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#2 Paul Bartok

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:18 AM

Hi James,
firstly please add you full name its one of the rules on this forum.

3D:
3d is a really difficult thing to master if your new to it a few tips are.
Using IBL (image based lighting) that means at every live action shoot u need to capture a 360 panorama in HDR so around 3-6 stops for every photo. Then this can be used in your 3d package for your lighting and environment.
I recommend VRAY for your rendering. And using 3dsmax but It all depends on what your doing.
Best realism really comes down to two thing "mostly"
- Lighting
- Textures!!! this a extreme but on the Dark Knight they used 18K textures for some models

Compositing:
If your willing to learn the best to go with NUKE or NUKEX
These are great 32bit float suites, Nuke was originally developed by Digital Domain
back in the day, there now one of the top VFX groups.

If not use after effects.

All this is very advanced stuff your better of learning bits and pieces over a few months and finding people in your community
that are already learning this stuff like at a university who are willing to help you, But obviously I don't know your full situation.
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#3 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:06 PM

I adore that sequence beyond the power of language to describe; it looks like my house would look, if I was richer than Bill Gates. And yes, I do fully appreciate that the degree of abstract minimalism we see there would make me a more than slightly sinister and unusual figure. With a lot of cleaning help.

Do we think it is actually based on the Mies-designed German pavilion at the 1929 international expo, or is it just a chance similarity?


Also, the wind turbines rotate backwards.

Edit: No, there's an almost exact representation of the Barcelona Chair in it; must be intentional.
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#4 Mei Lewis

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:04 PM

To do something like 'The 3rd and the Seventh' you'd also need to be good at cinematography, lighting, editing, drawing...
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#5 dan kessler

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:24 PM

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Mainstays of high-end 3d are Maya and Houdini.

Lots and lots to learn, and like Mel pointed out,
it's not just about the software.

The fantastic level of realism in this piece owes a lot
to the renderer. I don't know what it was, but you should
find out, since you said your goal is to produce this type
of work.
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#6 Geoff Howell

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 05:21 AM

I think it was rendered with Vray,

As far as what software to learn is concerned; if you plan on doing this as a career definitely go with Maya and Nuke, if doing 3D for a living is not your goal than I'd look at Cinema 4D

Both Maya and Nuke's learning curves are horrendous, in comparison C4D is pretty easy to pick up, it has a great online community so there's plenty of tutorials and it has support for Vray.
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#7 David Gregg

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:45 PM

Hi
As a 3D novice, I'd really appreciate some solid advice on creating 'realistic' 3d objects that can be composited with live action.

My inspiration is 'The 3rd and the Seventh', really a work of art.



What software should I consider as a starting point?


Tough question these days since so many software packages are highly developed almost to the point that they are ready for a structural rewrite. Any of the majors are good. I'd just recommend staying with the most common of the majors specializing in whatever area you want to work.

Photorealism in CGI is still mostly a matter of the animators eye and artistic talent.

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#8 ALEXANDRE GINNSZ

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:54 AM

For 3D compositing:

I'm surprised no one suggested Flame or Inferno, which I believe are the top of the line.  Smoke is nice too.  It's a VFX and NLE in one.  All of these programs have jumped from one company to another.  Right now, it's Autodesk.  I believe they'll give you a fully functional version of at least Smoke to learn.  The new Smoke is only available for Mac, unfortunately.

 

I had never even heard of Nuke until now.  Shake came and went, it seems.  I have not checked the latest version of After-Effects but back in the days (5 years ago) it was more of a motion graphics/2D compositing software. I think it's a great program though, affordable, very easy to learn, user-friendly GUI, lots of effects and plugins, and support for render farms.

 

For 3D modeling/animation:

I'm not too much into this, but I would go for Maya because it is the easiest one to learn, it's a standard in the industry, and you could make something that looks like it came out of Pixar with it, seriously.  Just don't expect to be able to do it for at least 10 years. Also, I think they can give it to you for free to learn but with limitations.

 

Coloring:

DaVinci seems to be the standard at the moment.

 

 

CONCLUSION

Maya + Flame (+ lots of expensive hardware) and you should be all set.


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#9 Jathavan Sriram

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:12 PM

Flame, Inferno and Smoke are quite old school. Flame and Smoke are still used though - but they are fairly high end and not really what a novice needs to learn or even afford.

 

Try first learning the basics of 3D, which should take you about a year. Creating realistic 3d models involves a lot of knowledge about rendering and lighting techniques - and when comping with real footage you have to look out for much more on set.

 

Free software like Blender is more than enough to star with. After that you can get into Maya.


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 02:59 PM

In my opinion this was made with 3DsMax which is (the most) popular programm for bigger 3D Structures and Vray for rendering.

The creator of The 3. and the 7. is a absolut Boss! Modeling and texturing is extreme hard and a job for itself. Rendering is even harder and takes years to learn (and very much talent if you want to be good) 3D Animation/Movement ist also very hard!


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#11 ALEXANDRE GINNSZ

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 03:03 PM

Note that if you plan on making a career out of this:

 

In every "serious" post facility, CGI and 3D compositing are in two different departments.  In other words, those who work with Maya usually don't work with Flame and vice versa.  Rarely will you get to do both. So I would start off specializing in what you want to do most, 3D comp for ex, and just get a basic knowledge of 3D modeling/animation (or vice versa).  This industry is ultra competitive (and equally underpaid btw).  So if you want to land a job in it, you need to be the best at what you're going to be doing.  Being the best at one of these things is hard enough as it is...

 

Some one wrote Flame was high-end and yet "old school".  #1: Make up your mind.  #2: Yes, it is high-end, top of the line even before getting into proprietary software by WETA or ILM, but "old school"???  LOL!  It's the gold standard of any top post production company!  But I agree, this is probably not what you want to start with!  Start with something like Combustion instead.  It might be discontinued but you can still find it online.  There is even an Apple version of it.  Better yet, give Smoke a shot.

 

As for 3D modeling, I'm gonna stick with Maya.  Yes the manual is very thick and there is a lot to learn, but start playing with it a little and you'll find that it's very user friendly and you'll be making pretty cool stuff pretty quickly...

 

Good luck.

 

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#12 Sam Biddle

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 04:35 PM

Maya + Nuke is where you ought to be heading. Nuke is the most powerful compositor out there and Maya is extremely versatile and widely used in the VFX industry. With texturing, Mari is fantastic, but that's advanced texturing (multi uv tiling, channels + shaders etc etc) you'll be best sticking to photoshop until you really need to texture something big.

 

As for renderers, as a beginner you'll probably want to learn mental ray as it is included with both max and maya. But obviously there are better renderers out there, Vray is good, and Arnold is becoming pretty widely used throughout the industry (it is very good!)

 

There's a great blog with loads of tips about rendering in mental ray, I use it a lot http://elementalray.wordpress.com/

 

I think if you go on Alex Roman's vimeo he has a breakdown of the film, if you haven't already, check it out.

 

 

Main thing with CG work is to get a general understanding of all of it before you go all out in one area, find out what you like and then hone your skills.

 

Hope that helps

 

 


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